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reconzero
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago

Re: R301 no longer the best gun in the Apex ...

@EdwardDLuffy

My biggest single vice in this game, or any other, is that I will pick up a weapon once and if I die with it then I will NEVER pick it up again. So 20k matches into this game I have almost never used the 301 because once in season 0 I tried to fire it and it shot all around the target instead of into it. Of course that was just early inexperience but it's ridiculous how those kinds of experiences stick in my head and bias me unreasonably. Of course, every two or three thousand matches I'll try again... and always get the same result. This time for lack of practice or familiarity. And so the cycle of doom continues ever on. Thank the Apex gods for the charge rifle.

9 Replies

  • Unitee01's avatar
    Unitee01
    3 years ago
    @reconzero Bro, you see this is what I don't get about you. Listen carefully, the Charge Rifle is garbage. Utter trash. The only people using it are ones who can't shoot anything at all or don't know any better. I highly doubt 20 years of Halo taught you weapon choice this bad. Just no. Come on. R301 with a mouse is basically a laser beam. One clip heaven if there ever was one in this game. I refuse to believe you are this bad with a gun, like really? No, get real. Like what is this forum even? Sheeesh. Also 20k matches? Dude come on.. Not attacking you but hey..what are you even doing???
  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Unitee01

    I've picked up a 301 even lately. In the firing range it's a perfect gentleman. In the field it is not. And like every other gun in this game, it's designed around a fatal flaw. Gun A has uncontrolable recoil, but a huge clip. Gun B has recoil you can almost wrap your brain around, but the clip is so small that it's 90% empty before I've even acquired the target. Gun C has no recoil and a very small clip, but takes 45 minutes to reload. Gun C in this exercise is the charge rifle. Not enough ammo and a ludicrous reload time is the price I pay for a gun that actually hits the things I aim at. There are some autos that I don't hate, but the basic premise of ALL autos is that you have to get fairly close to your target, and the other benefit of the charge rifle is that 90% of the times that I use it I'm so far away from my targets that they can't return fire. The best shots you take in this game are the ones that don't get returned.

    In the end, I don't really know if I would say that I'm "this bad with a gun," but I would say that getting up close with weapons that give me no confidence, behave unreliably, and which guarantee I'll be shot at... all adds up to 50/50 situations. I'm not willing to bleed out my eyeballs for even odds. Even odds don't win matches. So I stick with guns I know work, I put myself into situations and positions where they work the best, and I let sbmm do the rest. Healthy win rate, higher k/d than I have any business having, and a modicum of fun into the bargain. It almost feels greedy to ask for an auto that actually works.

    Which, now that I think about it, is a fully kitted devotion. That's an auto that gives me confidence. Available one match in 300. If lucky.
  • Unitee01's avatar
    Unitee01
    3 years ago

    @reconzeroYeah, I guess I see your logic somewhat -- if it works for you use it. However, you seem to be locked into a one trick pony situation. How will you ever get better as a player if you can't do much with even the meta guns? You know it, and I know it, but that's why meta's exist - because they are the current best. You can go against the grain, but it won't get you far unless your playstyle is especially niche. Point of the game, and what makes you good is to be good or capable with all weapons and in all situations. I've recently developed a good relationship with a p2020 on drop, even smoked players vs a Volt smg with it lol. Point is, do you, but be lenient enough to be good with literally everything else just in case you need to 🙂

    Sorry if I was harsh to you in previous posts, just find it hard to get a point across without being very direct. Working on it.

    Edit: I  forgot - in my lobbies people still favor the R301 over any gun because of accuracy I guess.  Even the R99 and Flatline is left in the dust in favor of it. It is still the king.

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Unitee01

    Oh, it most definitely is a one-trick pony thing. But it's no different than the one-trick I see 95% of other players locked in: they have the gun skills but not one single ounce of patience or common sense. That's why I can and do still win with my charge rifle. Because there is more to this game than gun skills. They're an important thing, but they're not the only thing.
  • Unitee01's avatar
    Unitee01
    3 years ago

    I don't really know how to say this but "most" players don't know how to aim, properly. Patience is a thing but pretty much the last thing when it comes to what is perceived as skilled. Patience is situational and accuracy / gun skill /quick reaction is ever present. EVER present. It will help you in every situation, even if you messed up.

    I once read posts on Reddit about "what could I have done differently to win" on Apex university and some players almost lost it because the OPs' aim was so bad....no one wants the practice or put effort towards it to improve, yet they ask it and want the results? In high tier lobbies people do not seem to miss shots. There's no options, many times. You peak wrong you are dead. Patience won't help here if I can't put my opponent down quick in turn with whatever I have equipped.

  • CCbathwater's avatar
    CCbathwater
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago

    Bruh... like the other day when I sent my friend a clip of me beaming this kid up in the B tower at Barometer, from across the map with R301. Anyway, she said "try that with a Flatline", and I said "wth would I do that?". R301 ftw!

  • reconzero's avatar
    reconzero
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @Unitee01

    Good aim is invaluable. But bad aim is hardly any real handicap in a game with skill-based matchmaking. You mostly get lumped in with other "bad" players and the wheels on the bus go round and round. Which is not to say that I don't believe in making any effort to improve. But as I've said before, I'm 20,000 matches into this game. When will I get better? How much more experience and practice is needed (let alone realistic)?

    I recently read something about Dr. Disrespect saying that the problem with CoD is that it doesn't have the high skill ceiling of Apex. I'm sure it would upset him, and possibly you as well, to hear me say this, but the skill ceiling in this game is too high. By a big margin. BIG. I'm not saying that 20,000 should automatically make me the best in the game, but when that many matches go by without bringing me any closer to the stuff I see on youtube... then the developer has made a design decision that benefits the top 3% at the expense of their every-day playerbase. They haven't made the game unplayable for me, but they've hardly done anything to reward persistence, longevity, or loyalty.
  • Kyldenar's avatar
    Kyldenar
    Seasoned Ace
    3 years ago
    @reconzero wrote:
    @Unitee01

    Good aim is invaluable. But bad aim is hardly any real handicap in a game with skill-based matchmaking. You mostly get lumped in with other "bad" players and the wheels on the bus go round and round. Which is not to say that I don't believe in making any effort to improve. But as I've said before, I'm 20,000 matches into this game. When will I get better? How much more experience and practice is needed (let alone realistic)?

    I recently read something about Dr. Disrespect saying that the problem with CoD is that it doesn't have the high skill ceiling of Apex. I'm sure it would upset him, and possibly you as well, to hear me say this, but the skill ceiling in this game is too high. By a big margin. BIG. I'm not saying that 20,000 should automatically make me the best in the game, but when that many matches go by without bringing me any closer to the stuff I see on youtube... then the developer has made a design decision that benefits the top 3% at the expense of their every-day playerbase. They haven't made the game unplayable for me, but they've hardly done anything to reward persistence, longevity, or loyalty.

    AMEN!!!

    Say it louder for the kids in the back.

    This right here is why I quit. When I just feel like I am meat for the Streamers to have easy kills with, not getting put with similar skill so we can all slowly improve, why would I invest more time when I already have a full-time job plus?

    This just makes folks go back to single player games that respect our time.

  • pandareno1999's avatar
    pandareno1999
    Hero+
    3 years ago
    @reconzero wrote:

    I recently read something about Dr. Disrespect saying that the problem with CoD is that it doesn't have the high skill ceiling of Apex.

    That is absolutely hilarious to read if you're at all familiar with Doc and his historic opinions about Apex.  Every time in the past that he's played this game, he whined about spending the whole game shooting shields and the high TTK compared to Warzone.

    As for the Prowler - yes!  I've sort of avoided this gun for my time in Apex but in the last couple of seasons, especially since the damage buff, I've tried to work with it a lot more frequently.   It absolutely shreds now that I've gotten used to it.  I have to resist my natural urge to get rid of it.  One burst ADS and the rest of the bullets (hipfired) feel like aimbot - and that's without a laser sight attached.  I can easily hipfire the back targets in the range for very consistent damage.

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