Re: Why can't you just Nerf Valk? Why Rampage is not being Nerfed?

In terms of team movement utility, I feel like Pathfinder was already pretty much mothballed by Octane and Horizon well before Valkyrie released.  She was certainly the last nail in the coffin, though.

@Axs5626Sxa5001I got the point you are saying and partially agree with it - one legend should be unique enough to have its own use rather than make someone else already existing obsolete or even worse combine multiple legend's pros in one.

At the same time I would not agree about repositioning, in my opinion, each mobile legend has its own pros and *:

- Path can reposition much faster and also much less linear (grapple), like as easy it might be to beam zipping path as hard it is to hit one who knows how to grapple away fast

- Valk can reposition the whole team long distances but it for me is like a one-time deal, all or nothing, usually don't ult more than twice per map. In comparison, Path is more versatile especially in shorter distances, plus with zipline, you can ensure a path for a team back and forward, Valk's ult is a one-way street and her passive is just for her

- Octane - in my opinion, mix of both Path and Valk, more mobile in combat, less mobile in running away / carrying the team with him

- Horizon - honestly I would not count her as a mobile legend, lift is ok but it is very linear (second easiest to hit after ziplines) and really helps only in situations where there is some horizontal stuff right around you. For me, she is like a bad version of Path. Her ability should have remained as sniper tower and as a heal-free card (to a lesser extent than it was initially, maybe now it is even well balanced from a healing perspective) in my opinion which was also shown in results before she was nerfed

Personally, my choice of each of the above goes like this:

- when I feel not clumsy I play Path, he is still the hardest of all 4 for me to play but I don't feel like I am losing out when doing so. I love when enemies just lose me out of sight and then I just beam them from high ground or even from a quick flank I pulled say around the rock with a grapple

- Valk is used only in bigger maps like SP or OLY, I would not consider playing her much in WE and even less so in KC, unless I have a very aggressive team and we want to engage everyone (not my type of playstyle). And more importantly, I play her when I see what we as a team struggle to get out of the fight in time to keep up with rotations = easy solution for that problem

- Octane, in my opinion, is just the easiest legend to play when you don't have 100% focus yet still ensuring good mobility for the team, also his stims help in dodging bullets again in case you run into a sticky situation due to lack of focus. Plus Octane has this mental freak-out effect on enemies similar to Blood's scan, Crypto's drone or Revs ult = as soon as people hear him they start looking around like crazy trying to find where he is

- Horizon - sadly I rarely can play her nowadays as I don't find her ability very useful and her ult was nerfed so much that even crawling baby can escape it nowadays, very bad combo or not the best choice when you have other legends

Valk was far from perfect but it was the poor choice of making a headshot game even more vertical, and began with Horizon.  Bad redo of worlds edge, added.

It would have been fine if they redesigned all the defensive characters but you know they wouldn’t.

whole I like call personally, she killed far more of the game than she improved.

@pandareno1999  I would say the dynamic grapple patch to pathfinder Is what mothballed him to be honest lol.

At the time it was the right decision but to return pathy to his original spiderman antics now wouldn't be OP I don't think.

@MandatoryIDtag @pandareno1999 Still can't believe that Path used to have low profile while having a hitbox almost as huge as Caustic. LOL!

@MandatoryIDtag yeah they can probably rollback pathfinder's nerfs now. Problem was he could outrun anyone and he was the only vertical legend in a game with 3 story buildings.

The first problem may no longer be true after the octane buffs and the second problem is gone now that there are more vertical legends.

@Cheese9Man Does seem funny until you remember his hitbox was broken so bad that bullets didnt always register. His escape ability was also obnoxious.

@MandatoryIDtagNah, I like the dynamic grapple. If it wasn't dynamic, it would be at least 25 sec tbh(don't remind of that 35 sec cooldown lol). A 10 sec short grapple>25 sec short grapple in the end, slingshots already give you so much distance that you don't need another one so quick.

Point being dynamic grapple patch actually saved what was left of his dignity 😛

@Axs5626Sxa5001 speed reversal would be sweet, one can only dream 

@Axs5626Sxa5001I disagree seeing as I've won plenty of games w/o Valk or Gibbs. In my games I don't see a ton of Gibby teams. Maybe half the lobby tops.

@MandatoryIDtag I think a good way to buff Path would be to increase the distance on his tact & ult. Plus I also like the idea of giving him the ability to see the 1st ring. Especially for teams who like to fight more tactically than mindless mercenaries.

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@Axs5626Sxa5001 wrote:
@Lord_Scorpion34

You don’t see Gibby’s in Master/Pred lobbies? Are we playing different games?

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Who said I was that good?

I think the thing with Gibby is that 1) for most players, he is not considered a "fun" legend.  Sure, he appeals to some, but overall I think that's the case.  And 2) his kit has a lot more value when played with a well-coordinated team.  His kit can be helpful with randoms, but much, much more so at higher ELO.

Why does Valk get a scan when flying anyway? Honestly if they want to nerf her that's what I would take away.

And I say this as a valk main now lol

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@hayhor wrote:

Why does Valk get a scan when flying anyway? Honestly if they want to nerf her that's what I would take away.

And I say this as a valk main now lol

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What? You've left the gas man behind!?

@hayhorthat's what it is all about - spotting enemies from height and land on them or free spot whichever you need at a time.

Sure that can be removed, it is more like a nice to have thing or more precisely a way how the game can overcome its poor ability to render the ground - even on highest settings, I have a hard time spotting people from height not to mention Valk's flight.

Plus it kinds of goes away from her as a character and this fighter pilot theme - this scan clearly mimics flighter yet HUD, some fanboys might be pissed 🙂

Other than that I still think she is just fine as she is and even more useful now when I know that I can cancel my rockets via jetting - played Valk all day in Diamond yesterday, so much more satisfying than Ash + you can always leave your dum dum team behind when they run into 2v3, 6 with the text "we thought you were with us" :D

i got @'ed a few times here so I'll try and get all the responses in one post.😛

@Cheese - I think the low profile was there to essentially make him easier to hit in mid air lol, it was a just a quick fix meant to appease the pathy haters at that time....didn't work. 😛

@Ash  yeah if dynamic was removed without CD adjustments it would be crap lol. In the unlikely event they ever revisited these changes I'd expect a CD reduction too lol.

@Ax   OG pathy was so much fun to play, he's definitely still viable but he just doesn't give you that same level as applicable pressure that he used to. 100% would like to see the old grapple mechanics back also.