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Re: why do you keep mixing ranks?

It's pretty crazy how so many people can have such a different experience, but not in a good way.

I see some of you are getting ranked with trash teammates but playing with a lobby of your skill level. What about pre made of your level? Do you get higher ranked opponents ? 

I dont understand why as a plat 3 (my teammates are plat 4) we get these predator lobbies constantly.  My one teammate and I have over a 2 k/d, and one has about a 1.5 k/d. But we get matched with top 100 players so much its laughable.  

The way the SBMM should work in ranked is like this. If you join solo, you should be matched with only your rank level, if your plat, the whole lobby should be within 2 or 3 tier levels (plat 2 matches with diamond 4 at highest and gold 1 at lowest). If you are in a premade it should be the same but calculated from your highest ranked member.   

Something needs to be done with the ranking system.

17 Replies

  • Boa767's avatar
    Boa767
    6 years ago

    I would like it if they ranked everyone with people their own lvl or in exceptional cases where there isn't enough players 1 level below them such as plat 1 gets matched with plat 1 and 2 or diamond IV 

    Because the way it is at the moment it matches people to my plat 1 games who are in silver 2 how is that anywhere near plat 1 that is 9 rank levels below me that's crazy, what sort of bogus matchmaking is that.


  • I'm currently Gold II myself but I play with two Plat III's. We all are at a similar skill level but they have had more time to play so when we play everyone is a whole tier above me.

    According to stats we win every 8th game we play, every 3rd is a top 5. With kills and dmg to prove our worth.

    So you guys matching with people from lower ranks might match with others like me.

    And you that match with similar but bad players might just match with people that got carried higher than their skill.

  • Boa767's avatar
    Boa767
    6 years ago

    Bump

    Why even have a rank system if they're going to mix low ranks with high ranks.

  • the question is, will we ever get an answer, do the devs read the forum?

  • I'm having the exact same issue. Only recently started playing ranked and blitzed to plat, only to start consistently being put in lobbies with preds where I'm way out my depth. Just finished a match where I was killed by a full predator squad including the #3. Why am I playing the #3? It takes the fun out of it, it would be much better to wait double the time for a game but only play against other plat players. 

    Another issue with the ranking/matchmaking is the fact that you cant get deranked. There are so many plat IVs who consistently go hot drops alone and die without caring because they're stuck at 4800, so they dont care, and it wastes the match for their teammates. With such a big jump between gold and plat especially, you HAVE to be able to derank.

  • Rwinho's avatar
    Rwinho
    6 years ago

    To me its about more than skill level. When you are diamond and lose a game you lose a lot more points than someone who is only gold or silver. So they can play with less consequence than someone who is in diamond. They can just blindly rush in get two kills be in 10th place and still get pluspoints. Why not put us together with squads who have just as much to lose. Im almost diamond 3 but i keep getting matched up with golds and plats who do not perform at all and do the silliest things and get mad when i dont play along. So i end up soloing getting 3 kills ending up 3th or 4th sometimes clutchings it but its hard having to play alone because some dude stuck on gold 4 or plat 4 hotdrops because he doesnt care. ๐Ÿคจ if you play without a premade squad this game is alot like comedy capers 80% of the time. And at times as toxic as Fifa ๐Ÿ™„. ... 

  • To make the game more toxic ๐Ÿ˜‚ if you have skillbased matchmaking like this how can ranking be fair ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿฝโ€โ™‚๏ธ People who play bad can still rank up because they play with and against people who are just as bad or just as good as they are. I never get two good teammates in a row they get worse after i win. 

  • @DarthValtrex The thing is, i think my ceiling, (even if i improved) would be low diamond anyway, so its not like i feel stuck in a low rank. Its just irritating that once i've arrived in platinum and im not good enough to carry matches anymore that the ranking system stops the games from being fun, because it warps how people play and how matches are made. I dont blame my teammates, they're dropping hot/solo because theres no reason not to. if you're plat IV for example and struggling, you can drop hot, probably die early but have a fun game, or you can drop, loot up, not have a fight for 10 minutes then meet a predator team who would kill you 9 times out of 10 anyway. Its the system.

  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @Rwinho I've been hard stuck in Diamond as well, 100 RP from D2, and went all the way back down to D4 in a couple of hrs. I think a majority of Plat 4 players don't understand the struggle, or maybe it's selfishness. My 48 RP entry cost to their 36, regardless of them being Plat 4 with rank forgiveness, is an issue.

    Touched base about this on a different thread, even posted a picture of 12 team composition screenshots, and out of 15 in a row, I was matched with both teammates being Plat 4, or lower rank (gold/silver) while I'm Diamond.

    Easy solution, make it so you can de-rank at all times, and weed out the ones who simply don't care. You play good, you rank up, play stupid, you de-rank.

    The present rank system, to the detriment of the better solo player, will keep you hard stuck once plateau is reached, cause you keep getting matched with lower tier players.
  • Wizardhawk's avatar
    Wizardhawk
    6 years ago

    It's not any better in gold 4 than plat 4.  7 games out of 10 I get my jumpmaster jumping me into the laser of death or dropping us onto 6 other teams late and I get to throw a punch while 5 people shoot me with guns.  2 games out of 10 I get someone on my team who thinks they're a top 5 player and runs off solo into the open and then screams "aimbotters!! my team sucks! don't play ranked you're garbage" on the mic until the game ends.  1 game out of 10 I get a team who actually plays seriously.

  • MandatoryIDtag's avatar
    MandatoryIDtag
    6 years ago

    @Gabrielmojo26  Nahhh I think they understand the struggle they just basically give up trying lol, plus with the ease of getting out of gold it definitely is a culture shock for some people when they reach plat and realize they can't play the same way they did before.

    It is a bad mentality to have though, if you're not willing to put the effort in for your team in ranked you should just play pubs.

    I personally found plat deeply annoying for this reason, I would earn a good amount of rp per game, work my way up a couple of ranks and then the floodgates would open and I'd get all the dudes that play like their silver rank and end up back at square one.

    I do wonder if dropping out of a rank rather than just dropping tiers would be the solution. Even if it was set so that you can only drop back to your previous tier.

  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    6 years ago
    @catsinaction01 I think you could probably improve if you really wanted to. I've been having ups and downs, but I noticed this on my grinds through ranked. I stalled at platinum 4 for a bit. I ran into the same issue you did, carrying people in Platinum is an entirely different ball game. I imagine if I ever put the time in to make it to Diamond I'll hit a similar wall in Diamond.

    But I agree, solo queuing in ranked takes the difficulty of it and multiples it greatly. The nice part about it? When you play PUBS you typically shred lobbies after intense solo queuing in ranked.
  • Gabrielmojo26's avatar
    Gabrielmojo26
    Seasoned Ace
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex This!!!

    "The nice part about it? When you play PUBS you typically shred lobbies after intense solo queuing in ranked."

    Grinded Diamond for over a week before going back to Duos, handful of games in, and was averaging 1200 dmg with roughly 8 kills, that's where i went "hmm something is wrong here".
  • DarthValtrex's avatar
    DarthValtrex
    Hero (Retired)
    6 years ago
    @Gabrielmojo26 Yeah I have a predator friend that I play with a lot. I do horrible in his lobbies, I'm happy if I break 800 damage with 3-4 kills.

    He signs off next round I play in my skill level lobbies. 1900 damage 10+ kills. I'm sitting there going why can't I do this with my friends?!
  • GH0STEDbyME's avatar
    GH0STEDbyME
    Hero
    6 years ago
    @DarthValtrex So the game makes you look trash in front of them xD I used to have this with my squad in my Gears of War 4 days. Playing on my own I'd always be within the top three with a high K/D. Play with my bros and I've be "paying rent" at the bottom of the scoreboards getting trolled by them xD