RP and AP Thought
Apex is a team game with lots of plyer individuality. Emphasis is currently placed on individual skill. RP is awarded for Kills and assists and of course placement. How many times have you had a gam...
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I do not agree. It is already known that squads will collude and abuse respawns for kill/AP farming. Adding additional sources of AP to the respawn mechanic will only reward that behaviour further.
Coming back from a bad situation should not have the potential to be more rewarding than preventing a bad situation. If there are any benefits to purposely letting your team bleed out, people will use it.
I understand what you are saying and people will abuse things either way.
The thought here is rewarding players for team play. Currently there is little incentive for revive respawn.
I know of countless times I have saved, Revived or respawned teammates where we were in a bad situation from the start. Hot drop teammates down, collected badges and respawned them. Rotated around the map picked up KP and placed top three. I could have decided otherwise and maybe ratted my way to top 10 or 5 all alone. Incentivizing revives makes sense as the whole team could profit from it.
Issues with abusing a system will always be there as there are enough people that will and or look for ways to play unfairly.
@cooperal1012 wrote:I do not agree. It is already known that squads will collude and abuse respawns for kill/AP farming. Adding additional sources of AP to the respawn mechanic will only reward that behaviour further.
Coming back from a bad situation should not have the potential to be more rewarding than preventing a bad situation. If there are any benefits to purposely letting your team bleed out, people will use it.
@cooperal1012 OK. So just to be clear. What you appear to be saying is "There should be no RP incentives for good team play because people will abuse it like they are now with Kills/AP farming". Is this correct?
In that case, get rid of all RP bonuses for kills/etc and make it purely where you finish in the match. That will solve the problem then right?
- DR
- @RockDokRock Rock that is just one great reply.
Not serious here because I like team play one could avoid both issues of possible abuse Kill/AP farming and respawn/revive farming by making the game solo only. No teammates to be farmed one way or another.
Seriously supporting your team should be rewarded and that is performed in more ways than just getting KP.
@Asmodeus566 wrote:
@RockDokRockRock that is just one great reply.
Not serious here because I like team play one could avoid both issues of possible abuse Kill/AP farming and respawn/revive farming by making the game solo only. No teammates to be farmed one way or another.
Seriously supporting your team should be rewarded and that is performed in more ways than just getting KP.@Asmodeus566 I was being sarcastic. Just putting the statement in plain terms and showing that it can be viewed as a bit absurd. My solution will, of course, work but I doubt it's what people want. People will aways find ways to abuse mechanics/rules so I don't see much point in punishing everyone because of the selfish few.
Just reward for good team play. I agree.
- DR
@RockDokRock wrote:
@cooperal1012 wrote:I do not agree. It is already known that squads will collude and abuse respawns for kill/AP farming. Adding additional sources of AP to the respawn mechanic will only reward that behaviour further.
Coming back from a bad situation should not have the potential to be more rewarding than preventing a bad situation. If there are any benefits to purposely letting your team bleed out, people will use it.
@cooperal1012 OK. So just to be clear. What you appear to be saying is "There should be no RP incentives for good team play because people will abuse it like they are now with Kills/AP farming". Is this correct?
In that case, get rid of all RP bonuses for kills/etc and make it purely where you finish in the match. That will solve the problem then right?
- DR
It sounds like you don't understand the criteria for victory. Teammates dying is a setback. If someone goes down you are one third closer to being ejected from the match. It is caused because the person who fell either failed their team, or was failed by their team. Respawning your team is a means toward undoing a setback that is preventing you from participating effectively. Under no circumstance is it better than preventing a setback outright.
Supposing you understand that achieving a higher placement means more RP, there is already a clear RP incentive to bring back any lost teammates. It is not the respawning itself that rewards, but what comes after.
The fact that squads do cooperate to farm kills is an unfortunate design, certainly not unique to Apex and entirely reportable/bannable. It is not a realistic solution to take away rewards for actively furthering the match to its conclusion.
The criteria for victory is quite clear, last team or last player standing. Getting to that point for most players is team play and yes reviving and respawning teammates in and of itself is an incentive as they normally help that goal being achieved or close enough for a positive play experience and RP.
Some players are are spot on laser shooters, movement masters and killing machines in the game, and I applaud their skill. Other players do not have those skills but have great tactical sense, map knowledge and great general awareness and anchor the team as support. All of that in and of itself should be reward enough and I do not flat out disregard the points you have made and agree with them to a certain point.
However I still believe that some sort of RP should be given for revives/respawns. Yes their might be room for exploitation and that would have to be handled if and when it arises. Lastly I honestly think that providing a greater incentive to revive/respawn downed teammates would foster team play mechanics especially with Random Trio's and would not be bad in two or three stacked trio's.
I appreciate your argumentation and even though I do not fully agree with it find it quite interesting.
- @cooperal1012 let's forbid something that benefits 99% of players because 0.05% of players might abuse it, duh
