https://twitter.com/JakeSucky/status/1585409564316688385Why am i not surprised by this?Maybe Hal was right, comp Apex is in a bad state right now and needs major changes asap, if not it could lead to a slow but constant decline.

@hayhor MW2 releases I believe in a few days and Warzone 2 on November.Sidenote: I wish I could just buy the MW2 campaign for half the price. I hate COD multiplayer but love the short campaigns.

@Cro_Pittt Overwatch isn’t killing Apex. Apex is slowly killing itself. Remember when they had slow *** computers during the ALGS? LOL.

@Cheese9Man That's the problem. Also the Pro League feels a bit like an exclusive vip tourney. Why do so many teams have a granted place without even having to make their way through the qualifiers? You'll never incentivize new players to try to reach the top like that. What was the last time we had a major meta change? Or a tourney on Olympus or KC? It has been several months now that the game feels the same because there's nothing significantly new in the game. Let's hope Season 15 is a big thing, we need it.

I mean, prove me wrong? But like I said many times, your PRO scene, and esports exist because of average players, not the other way around. So when you screw your game up, you screw up your pro scene. And, yes, your pros will leave you when your average players do. This is why comments about the new Ranked system like Hal's grate like nails on a chalkboard, and where pro ego shoots themselves in the foot.Consistenly, Apex has dropped in Twitch ratings, since the ranked rework. Ranked was already busted, but the solution of listening to the top 1 % of the player base in their ivory tower on how to fix it...ended up breaking it way worse. Now people are more miserable playing ranked and so more have given up on it, and less therefore are watching Apex Twitch streams. That's my theory at least. And again, it isn't like Overwatch drop, we're talking like top 5-6 to only top 10.BUT, that's a big relative drop. And, that doesn't bankrupt people but that does mean money somewhere for streamers. I would imagine, and this is my speculation, that the drop in popularity for things like ranked play affecting esports and desire to watch pros play from youtube to streaming, does impact the bottom line enough. If Respawn is ornery about their changes, obstinate in their approach, slow to correct their clear mistakes, this is where it shows. Gold Shield obsessions, basically red herring problems, also. As potentially lucrative as esports are, like any entertainment industry, it has to be vulnerable to ratings. My guess is that you can't afford to pay the pro scene as much if you're worried about your ratings? Maybe that's the takeaway.And the benefit of keeping all your ratings behind curtains by the way. Respawn can spin any story they want, see? But it can't be all amazing in the Land of Oz with the Twitch standing drop, I think this is at least possibly related.

@Cro_Pittt I saw that. Not a good look.As for Hal. He always cries when he loses and he's been losing A LOT in the past couple years. I can't take him seriously. He is no longer the best IGL or player in the game and is struggling to come to grips with it.And the computer thing isn't only apex. The twitchcon thing people were dropping to less than 60 frames.

So apparently ALGS tier 2 and lower casters/support teams are not being paid

15 Replies

Cheese9Man
3 years ago
@Cro_Pittt Overwatch isn’t killing Apex. Apex is slowly killing itself. Remember when they had slow *** computers during the ALGS? LOL.
Cro_Pittt
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man That's the problem. Also the Pro League feels a bit like an exclusive vip tourney. Why do so many teams have a granted place without even having to make their way through the qualifiers? You'll never incentivize new players to try to reach the top like that. What was the last time we had a major meta change? Or a tourney on Olympus or KC? It has been several months now that the game feels the same because there's nothing significantly new in the game. Let's hope Season 15 is a big thing, we need it.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Cro_Pittt I saw that. Not a good look.

As for Hal. He always cries when he loses and he's been losing A LOT in the past couple years. I can't take him seriously. He is no longer the best IGL or player in the game and is struggling to come to grips with it.

And the computer thing isn't only apex. The twitchcon thing people were dropping to less than 60 frames.
Cro_Pittt
3 years ago
@hayhor
He can still be right though. Don't forget Warzone 2 is coming out soon, and like it or not that will attract a huge number of players. S15 needs to be very good.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Cro_PitttCOD is what tonight? When is warzone 2?
Cheese9Man
3 years ago
@hayhor MW2 releases I believe in a few days and Warzone 2 on November.

Sidenote: I wish I could just buy the MW2 campaign for half the price. I hate COD multiplayer but love the short campaigns.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Cheese9Man I'd buy the campaign also. As it stands I won't buy it at all now.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Cro_PitttI was doing more reading on this. They are volunteers. They know they are not being paid. They do this for other perks. When asked about this one of them defending complaining by saying if they didn't someone else would do it because it helps them in other ways. 😬
This would like me asking for payment for helping on this forum.
Cro_Pittt
3 years ago
@hayhor Source?
@Cheese9Man I also would love to play the MW2 campaign, Warzone and the multiplayer do not attract me at all lol. If they made a remake of the old Mw2 multiplayer i'd play it every day lmao.
hayhor
Hero
3 years ago
@Cro_Pittt They are in your link. One guy even said he was told to do it for free and quit doing it. They've all been told that. It isn't like they were told they'd get paid and suddenly were not, which is the story a lot of sites are running with. Clickbait if I ever saw it.