When I play an FPS game, I just want to shoot other players and develop my combat skills.In Apex, however, I find that I am spending all of my time waiting for a game to start, waiting to land, looting, dying and then rinse and repeat. A huge amount of, or even all of Apex is waiting and looting.I cannot control the actions of my teammates as they never seem to develop any sort of reasoning in regrads to their survival.In Apex survival means gameplay beyond looting. But because there is so much loot and so many tiers of loot, looting becomes the sum total of gameplay because players' ambitions are simply to get better loot. The developer's has enebled this by having so much loot available. But what is the point? If loot was not the primary objective then real gameplay would emerge.I just wonder, and even despair, that after 13 so called "seasons" we are still in a giant loot simulator? What is the purpose of this?Apex has some appealing gameplay but it is eclipsed by this constant looting.Loot - get betterloot - get even better loot - die because looting- queue for next game - land - loot again etc. It's a self evident vicious cycle. Why is nothing done about it?I'm sick and tired of it! But being angry seems to be the developer's goal. I just wonder why that is?

BLUF If all you want to do is shoot people and can't find any enjoyment in any of the other aspects of BR (i.e.-looting, ratting, hiding, running for your life), I'm not sure it is for you. I'm thinking Control or Arenas may be more for you.Looting is an inherent part of Battle Royale and I agree that the loot pool this season is a little off. If you get a good team that actually coordinates looting and helps each other find what they want & need, it can be less of a hassle. Having the r301 in the crafter but the Flatline and Spitfire back in ground loot makes it very heavy ammo centric. Respawn also lowered the amount of cells and syringes in the loot pool, but it doesn't seem to have resulted in finding rare things more often (i.e.-hop ups, gold weapons, etc.). Honestly, I really would like there to be more turbochargers and hammerpoints out there to offset the lack of syringes & cells.

@warslag wrote:When I play an FPS game, I just want to shoot other players and develop my combat skills.@warslag Ever heard of Arena's 😉Wait till control comes back.I think that answers the question.

@warslag But that just sounds like a player culture problem then a game system problem. As I said you decide how much you loot.I usually just pick up a gun and ammo then I head to my first engagement.

@Gatorbaker1. Please feel free to link to that video.2. Thanks for the call to relaxation.3. Thanks for helping me to realize that a for-profit company cares more about profit than about my personal gaming experience. I didn't already know that because I'm a teenager who isn't a psychologist.What I do know, because I'm both older and smarter than you seem to think, is that no game developer cares about the experience of any single gamer. They care about the aggregate player experience. You could look that word up if you're unfamiliar with it. And their ability to fine tune that aggregate experience is why Andrew Wilson is a millionaire many times over and you are not. Oops, did I just make an assumption about you based on absolutely nothing whatsoever? My bad....

@hayhor I mean you can fight because most of randoms want to do so, but problem is they don't stop after the first fight. Instead of going into last zone after getting 2-3 kp they keep pushing every fight and of course the risk of dying will dramatically increase.

Where is the actual gameplay besides looting?

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Asmodeus566
Hero+
4 years ago
@warslag wrote:
When I play an FPS game, I just want to shoot other players and develop my combat skills.
@warslag
Ever heard of Arena's 😉
Wait till control comes back.
I think that answers the question.
warslag
4 years ago
Actually, there is even loot crates in Arena. Which just goes to show you that looting is endemic in Apex. Which I do accept. But it's the extent of looting and how much it ineterferes with gameplay which is the problem. I assume most players will agre ethat looting does not offer a genuine alternative to real FPS gameplay.
For example. I have played 29 games this 'Season'. I have 19 kills and 19 deaths. Which means less than 1 kill per game. Of those 29 games, 30% have been complete failures, where there were not enough teammates or teammates got themselves wiped out in an unrecoverable situation while looting and I just left.
Looting is not proper FPS gameplay. In Apex looting is suffocating gameplay.
Tad844
4 years ago
@warslagI totally agree with you. The looting system should be simplified and automated. Get rid of backpacs, you should be able to carry ammo for every type and pick ammo up automatically from the ground, have max 4 batteries, max 8 cells and so on and pick them automatically from the ground. Remove deathboxes and make the loot drop on the ground once you kill a person. Remove all atachements and instead make weapons on tiers white/green/blue/purple/gold. Remove all the different ammo types and just make it rifle/sniper/pistol/lmg/smg rounds.
This way people would actually take their heads from the ground or from deathboxes and look for enemies to fight. This is not loot simulator, it is a fast paced mobility based fps, but the developers don't seem to understand their own game.
Cro_Pittt
4 years ago
@warslag Looting is part of a BR, so it's not gonna go away. If you sometimes get teammates that loot the entire game then i feel sorry for you because we all know the frustration but that's not the game's fault unfortunately.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
4 years ago
@warslag wrote:
Looting is not proper FPS gameplay. In Apex looting is suffocating gameplay.
@warslag
Yes looting can be a problem. I hate "Loot Goblins".
But please tell me what FPS battle Royal game does not have looting mechanics and is a better game than Apex?
Would be nice to know.
Playing three stacked solves the goblin problem. Communicating with teammates can possibly curb the problem.
warslag
4 years ago
It is the dveloper's fault because there is far too much loot. Too many tiers of loot. Too many opportunities to loot.
There's even a PVE loot dungeon now. Plus PVE events around the map.
To support all these distractions they've made a massive loot table to the detriment of gameplay.
I want more FPS gameplay and less looting.
There is no need to make players feel that they are dependent on the loot they obtain. It obviously has consequences.
If you can't see that then I have to say I am surprised.
warslag
4 years ago
Well I think Apex could be a good game, but I think players are looting so much that it has obscured the reason for playing FPS games in the first place which is combat.
Asmodeus566
Hero+
4 years ago
@warslag
Cool. We agree Apex is good but could be better.
I do see the problems you mention and simplifying loot and loot RNG would be better.
Looking back at S1 and although there was a ton of loot it was simpler and better.
I have gotten to the point of less building and bin looting to mostly just looting my kills. If you find and kill the other players the tend to have what you need and you do not have to search every building and Bin. Otherwise I just craft an R301 and upgrade my armor at the same time and call it a day until I can loot my kills.
But yes looting needs to be rolled back because to much looting and Loot RNG is a pain.
hayhor
Hero
4 years ago
@Tad844 I like the idea of auto pickups but can we make sure to make the amounts of ammo pretty large? One thing that always frustrated me with warzone was you could only pickup so much ammo. You did pick it up automatically tho. I guess this is one reason things aren't automatic. You can decide how many of each thing to carry.
warslag
4 years ago
@Tad844 wrote:
@warslagI totally agree with you. The looting system should be simplified and automated. Get rid of backpacs, you should be able to carry ammo for every type and pick ammo up automatically from the ground, have max 4 batteries, max 8 cells and so on and pick them automatically from the ground. Remove deathboxes and make the loot drop on the ground once you kill a person. Remove all atachements and instead make weapons on tiers white/green/blue/purple/gold. Remove all the different ammo types and just make it rifle/sniper/pistol/lmg/smg rounds.
This way people would actually take their heads from the ground or from deathboxes and look for enemies to fight. This is not loot simulator, it is a fast paced mobility based fps, but the developers don't seem to understand their own game.
I like the idea of no death boxes and instead looting form the ground. That's a genuinely good idea.
But I think that you should have all the loot you need when you drop. Just collect your loadout and play. Which doesn't realy make sense.
In Warzone they have the 'Plunder' game mode in which you spawn-in with your loadout, rather than building it from ground loot. That way you can focus on FPS play and you also spend less time being dead, as well.
Apex gameplay stirkes me as being extremely lopside in terms of looting versus combat for the vats majority of the players.
This is before we even get into talking about the complete lack of social interaction and the difficulty in establishing long term teammates and recruitement.
I just think the game is needlessly stressful over such a mundane aspect such as looting.
Definitely no more PVE stuff. I'm not saying it is inherently bad but it is certainly an extra distraction from what people play these games for.