why do we need sbmm in pubs when theres ranked?

@BaldWraithSimp

Not that I want absolutely random lobbies (I actually want SBMM to be toned down, not eliminated), but the average player occasionally running into the 20 bomb 4k Wraith is actually more fair than forcing skilled players into tournament level matches in pubs (EVERY MATCH).

Remember back before they cranked the SBMM up? Pubs offered variance. SBMM was there but it wasn’t as aggressive. My pubs right now are literally all Masters and Preds. The game fundamentally changes at that level because one small mistake and you get melted. This is exactly how ranked should play— not pubs.

Again, I don’t want SBMM removed, but I do want the overall difficulty of pub lobbies toned down. Revert it back to 2019.

@Aegis_Kleais 

I'll tell you why pub players DONT WANT SBMM.  Go to YouTube and look up Apex ALGS or TSM ImperialHal or Snip3down or SweetDreams or any of those Predator lobby sweats and pay attention to how people play.  This is how every pub game goes for people like me.  People play like there's thousands of dollars on the line.  Every. Single. Game.

You people cannot fathom this because you're not skilled enough to be up in this bracket of SBMM.  I cannot stress this enough.  Every. Single. Game. Plays like an ALGS tournament.  

You wanna talk about having an equal chance to win against everyone?  That's because your lobbies are easy and forgiving.  You have to hit 30% of your shots to win a gunfight.  We have to hit 90% at a bare minimum.  If you miss you die.  Back to the lobby.  And you know what I wouldn't even complain as long as my packet loss didn't spike to 50% for no reason or I wasn't on 150 ping when it says the server is on 23 and I myself am I on 30

@ErectRainbow  Honestly if you think that they play pubs like tournaments clearly you don't watch them. Competitive is a completely different story and its difficulty is miles higher than predator ranked or pubs. If someone plays constantly tournaments he goes up against the best of the world, and the best of the world is far better than the high skilled players of Apex. There's nothing you can do against them simply because they're too far ahead of the pack, unless you get a lot better of course.

Don't get me wrong sbmm doesn't work in Apex and it's broken, but asking for its removal is also a bad thing. It'd kill the newbies and people who simply are not that good at the game.

@GH0STEDbyME If you learned to read, you would’ve seen I said for ranked a diamond player should vs another diamond player and pubs should not have sbmm because it’s unfair to everyone from sweats, to average good people, to bots. It doesn’t benefit anyone except make pubs sweaty every match. If you look at cod, fortnite and even apex, all those players are leaving to play Minecraft and other pve games, that’s why Minecraft has most players it’s ever had since 2010 because you don’t have to deal with sbmm. 😂

@ErectRainbowI understand how passionate you are about SBMM. I too, am pretty miserable when I play Apex because I’m in the same pubs as you. The algorithm absolutely needs to be tuned and the overall difficulty of these lobbies needs to be decreased.

But I urge you not to look for validation from the forums. By virtue of being a top 100 player, your experience is vastly different from the majority of the community— so although they understand your perspective they don’t realize *understand*;most haven’t felt what it’s like to exclusively drop in lobbies with the top 1%. Most of these people understand how skilled Predators are, but don’t know what a lobby of 85% preds feels like game after game after game.

Then there is the other facet of this which is— people often don’t have sympathy for people who occupy the top of a hierarchy. When a rich person complains about a situation that is unfair to them, people tend not to be terribly concerned. As it applies to gaming, there is a serious stigma associated with skilled players. Even if something unethical was happening to players at the top of the hierarchy, plenty of people wouldn’t care about that issue— and some could even be happy said issue exists, because “screw those no-life players.”

So ultimately, complaints against a system that benefits the largest demographic of a community (low to average skilled players) will often be a lost cause. Online gaming in particular seems to be an industry that is moving towards the implementation of methods aimed at maximizing the experience of the average Joe, even if it places added strain on players who aren’t average.