Wraith has a high winrate because most good players use her PERIOD, the balancing that you guys are pushing is based on the fact that you want to GUT the advantages that good players have because they practiced hard to learn mechanics or guns and use them effectively, for example: why does the r99 have the same dps as a volt when it is way harder to control? And where is the pay off in learning to control the r99 then? Another one is limiting the zipline jumps to 3 times including the ziplines inside buildings, unabling us to ninja jump to get to the campers at the top of the building, another mechaninc nerf because noobs get wrecked by this mechanic perhaps? How about the broken triple take, which deal 70 damage from a hipfire to enemies that are 200M away with a huuuge bullet scan. Perfect weapon for noobs in a game where there's always a 3rd party or 7thparty trying to eff you up.Last nerf to Wraith's Q you guys wanted her to use her Q to SCOUT for enemies, like wtf, for real? In terms of hitbox there's always gonna be a better legend because you guys chose to make a game with asymmetrical hit boxes, you could've just made it symmetrical to avoid stuff like this or just remove Wraith completely from the game, or better yet, PUT HER IN CARE PACKAGES JUST LIKE ALL THE STUFF YOU CAN'T BALANCE.And btw your anti cheat system is crap, you should atleast not put us in the same queue as the guys that we reported, there is nothing worse than coming from a game with a cheater, reporting the said cheater and then queueing and ending up in the same lobby as the reported cheaters, and the report system seems to do nothing.

@DioLuciferio She is OP and is still a very good legend. Her nerf was a slightly wider body. Which is hardly anything, she needs to be taller not wider. She has the best abilities in the game, the best movement and the best hit box. She also the best passive.She is so short she can basically hide behind a death box. She is so short the only thing visible when she stands behind someone who's down is her head... In order to win those fights you have to land nothing but head shots, which is insanely hard to do.

@DioLuciferioThe best players can play any character and do well. There are many that are only good because of wraiths hitbox and abilities.

Remember, the same people playing Wraith also play against her.. And if all the best players start using let's say Bloodhound, would the numbers also suggest he needs a nerf? His win rate would be off the charts. Numbers don't always tell the whole story. Wraith has downsides to her abilities. Enemies can use portals too, works both ways. And when phasing all you need to do is follow the blue streak and shoot where it ends. Yes, rng is not the only factor, but a pretty big one no doubt in BR, if I get a weapon before you do you're dead. You can learn where the good loot is but it doesn't help if you and 5 other pro teams land there all at once. Skill will be a factor, but Apex isn't the best game for demonstrating it properly as the best player won't always win. Tbh I'm not sure if it was even designed to be that competitive in the first place, but people want it to be and this creates a problem. Server tick rate is a good indication of that.

@Sand_spitter I found the easiest way to cope with these wraith changes. I just stop playing her. While some nerfs are minimal here and there i am just sick of it. Over 10k games on wraith to be scrapped in the yard. all my time and effort into 1 single legend gone because the devs cant do things right when comes to abilities and hitboxes.I should just play crypto at least then i know he would never see a nerf because no one plays him to complain about. lolol

@DioLuciferio Good players played Wraith BECAUSE she had the smallest hitbox, a tactical that's basically a "get out of jail free card" and an ultimate that lets her move her team around making her a great playmaker. She is basically the perfect FPS game character. Also those good players you talk about can still play Wraith(or any other character) and if they can't they were simply just abusing Wraith's small hitbox.

Wraith nerfed again?! | EA Forums

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DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@DioLuciferio She is OP and is still a very good legend. Her nerf was a slightly wider body. Which is hardly anything, she needs to be taller not wider. She has the best abilities in the game, the best movement and the best hit box. She also the best passive.

She is so short she can basically hide behind a death box. She is so short the only thing visible when she stands behind someone who's down is her head... In order to win those fights you have to land nothing but head shots, which is insanely hard to do.
Daze623
5 years ago
@DioLuciferio Good players played Wraith BECAUSE she had the smallest hitbox, a tactical that's basically a "get out of jail free card" and an ultimate that lets her move her team around making her a great playmaker. She is basically the perfect FPS game character. Also those good players you talk about can still play Wraith(or any other character) and if they can't they were simply just abusing Wraith's small hitbox.
hayhor
Hero
5 years ago
@DioLuciferioThe best players can play any character and do well. There are many that are only good because of wraiths hitbox and abilities.
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
@DioLuciferio I'm with you. I think any nerf to her or any of the early characters is unnecessary. So what if she's "better"? So what if a R99 is better than a P2020? Who cares? It's part of the game. Most games have this. And sometimes it's fun choosing the worst weapon or character intentionally and actually winning. If anything, pick rates are all about people spending more money on more characters instead of just one, it's an excuse I'm not buying. Respawn needs to come up with better characters that can actually compete with her and are fun to play instead of just nerfing anything good in the game into the ground, then you'll see more variation in pick rates. They want balance? In Apex? Not gonna happen ever. You'd have to make every hit box and ability the same and every gun's recoil/damage/ttk the same and while they're at it completely eliminate rng and bodyshields.

If we're gonna talk about OP legends look no further than the current Mirage and Gibby.

The old Apex Legends was so fun, now it's turning into Nerf Legends.
E9ine_AC
Hero+
5 years ago
@DarthValtrex From what a lot friends tell me who are still playing her they say its hardly noticeable.
EThought113213
5 years ago
She had a smaller hitbox than every other legend, people use her not because they're good, but because she's easy to use. It needed to be done, it has been since launch.
KelRiever
5 years ago
Again, I said this I'm pretty sure, but Wraith will always be favored because her abilities take advantage of the things that are core important to Apex. There's always going to be 'that character' in a game and Wraith is it for this game.
Not getting hit and mobility are two premium abilities (in that order) in any BR where you have no respawn (except if a team mate gets you) and guns do damage (although they keep getting nerfed). To nerf Wraith, you would have to actually change her Tactical completely to something else. Otherwise....I don't really see how you fix it. Making her bigger just seems to be silly. It's really all about the phasing.
CaptWrekAlyfe
5 years ago
I'm with OP on this. They gutted Wraith over and over but buffed the F*** outta Gibby how many seasons in a row? (sometimes twice a season)
There is nothing wrong with making adjustments to certain characters due to meta changes, but changing them to MAKE the new meta?(Nerf grenade stacking so Respawn can make that a passive ability)
What's the point of committing to the game when playstyles, physics and mechanics become a flavor of the month due to whiners?
Sand_spitter
5 years ago
Yes it's true, but a good player also would do well regardless of which character their opponent is.
DarthValtrex
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@E9ine_AC It's hardly noticeable on my end when I fight her. It was not much of a nerf because width is not the issue it's how tall she is. Due to being so short she can hide behind things no other legends can.