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TilkSiper's avatar
7 years ago

Xim mouse for Playstation 4. Legal cheat? Why nobody cares?

Yes, i'm crying. I hate people, playing with xim at Apex. Well, at least about in 1 game on 10 they kill me at the end of match. It's easy to detect, they always rushing u and have 100% aim at wingman, badge 4k dmg and 20 kills, etc. On killcam only blind can't see. I'm good at dualshock 4, main wrath, 50 squad kills, 30 finished by me, etc. But i always have butthurt, when xim users rushed my squad like hell and in 3 seconds we all die. I've read about matchmaking in Fortnite, that keyboard-and-mouse players on PS4 will be matchmade with PC. Is it true btw? Why nobody cares about it? Why developers have no balls? Just ban this * or do matchmaking with each other. Is it difficult to detect? I droped competitive Overwatch, cuz of it. In season 1 have 1k world, but then every game has xim. In Rainbow 6 siege, i've heard about xim problems too, every game... I know, that xim users base in shooters in small, i think about 5-7% maybe less. But when u are good player, play competitive for win and stats, u always will lose xim at the end of match. It's just unfair...

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  • Unfortunately for all the haters, Xim and Cronusmax and other emulators are undetectable and not technically considered cheating. They mimic a controller input so as far as your console knows you are using a controller. PlayStation has its own licensed product you can buy to do this exact same thing, so I don't see them cracking down on it. 

  • Bowi_QC's avatar
    Bowi_QC
    7 years ago

    I'm sure machine learning and a good AI could find patterns and signatures exclusive to XIM users.

    Researchers are experimenting with computers that lock themselves when they don't recognize specific typing patterns and mouse input. It's like a fingerprint or an iris.

    I'm sure an AI could identify input patterns and quirks that are specific to XIM users and macro users on console and flag them.

    I have no sympathy for cheaters in PvP games.


  • @Bowi_QC wrote:

    I'm sure machine learning and a good AI could find patterns and signatures exclusive to XIM users.

    Researchers are experimenting with computers that lock themselves when they don't recognize specific typing patterns and mouse input. It's like a fingerprint or an iris.

    I'm sure an AI could identify input patterns and quirks that are specific to XIM users and macro users on console and flag them.

    I have no sympathy for cheaters in PvP games.


    HAHAHA  why would anyone spend the likely hundreds of thousands / millions of dollars developing software to detect and ban devices, some of which are officially licensed by the platform holder???

    Its it much, much, much easier and better for Respawn to just stop blocking the native keyboard and mouse inputs the consoles are capable of?

    That costs zero money, and actually WILL 100% bring in a ton of players who are sick of pc cheaters.

  • Bowi_QC's avatar
    Bowi_QC
    7 years ago

    I'm all for K&M and native support. I'm simply against XIM and other cheating devices.

    A.I. is the future. They will monitor every games at some point to flag troublemakers in VoIP, chat, and cheaters, I'm sure of it.

    There's money to be made. That is why companies like EAC exist.

  • full951's avatar
    full951
    7 years ago

    @neillkorey wrote:

    Xim is not detectable in fortnite you are giving false information. It was detectable for one day and xim sent out a patch and no longer detectable. I have 4K dmg badge no 20 kills highest is 19 darn the bad luck so if I hit all my shots killing you you would instantly cry cheater. With no evidence other than he killed me he must be cheating no one will listen. And there is no matchmaking system in apex so you being competitive does not group you with other tryhards and I don’t know if I could say 100% I have even been killed by a xim


    based on what Mike Ybarra says, Xim and other devices like it are absolutely detectable. they have the api available to developers to use if they so choose to stop it. not even Overwatch or fortnite devs use it. I don't know if such a detecting system exist over at Sony but I'd go out on a limb a say they have the capability to detect as well.

    one day on fortnite some Xim users  got kicked while playing: only some got kicked. most users on fortnite didn't even know till long after the fact. I guess it's up for debate on whether or not it was target at Xim users,  my sources say no. either way. that wasd check they were doing isn't being done anymore. the patch Xim put out is called SAB otherwise known as Simulate Analog Behavior. it's a feature I don't use but most report they really like the way it makes the wasd feel in not just fortnite but all games.

    impressive damage in one round badge BTW. I've only done a little over 2k and not very often 


  • @Bowi_QC wrote:

    I'm sure machine learning and a good AI could find patterns and signatures exclusive to XIM users.

    Researchers are experimenting with computers that lock themselves when they don't recognize specific typing patterns and mouse input. It's like a fingerprint or an iris.

    I'm sure an AI could identify input patterns and quirks that are specific to XIM users and macro users on console and flag them.

    I have no sympathy for cheaters in PvP games.


    I wonder if that's the style of detection Mike Ybarra says is available to devs on Xbox. I would think macros would be easy for any dev to detect. lucky for you that's the only cheating you have to deal with on consoles 

  • @TilkSiper it should be banned from competitive games on console. If you have to stoop down to a xim, your obviously garbage and can't hack it on PC.