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- XHelperZ3 years agoHero+
Well I get the issue, if this were competitive it's pretty much on point.
Though banning players for doing this in casual feels a bit unfair IMO.
Do note that players can pretty much play in any way they want in casual, as long they don't throw matches intentionally.
Dropping hot and leaving to get into a new match isn't exactly throwing on purpose, as they're still trying to do something there.
Sure, quick to give up, though account-ban worthy? Well, for me that doesn't really feel like it.
After all, players can get into a premade squad instead of suffering due to the RNG matchmaker.
Hmm...
Well, Overwatch does have a system where it limits the amount of XP a player can get if they do it a lot.
I'm sure some penalties could be worked out, depending on how many matches are left in quick succession.
Personally, I'd say a short test period to see how this will affect players would help a lot with figuring out how well it would work.
@XHelperZBut this isn't the game for that. If constant shooting and respawning is your thing, play COD.
Doing so might enhance their gameplay, but it screws their squadmate's games. It's a TEAM game, not a solo game. Asking them to chill for 15-30 seconds isn't too much.ETA: If they want to play like that, there's also the option to not fill the squad in the lobby. There just isn't a valid excuse for it.
- XHelperZ3 years agoHero+
Well, the way the game is "intended" might vary per player.
It's not like a playstyle should be enforced, especially if any other playstyle is going to be punished.
However, frequently leaving matches should result in some form of punishment, particularly for Apex as it's a BR game which doesn't have any form of backfill, meaning the impact on the match can be significant.
Personally I feel like those who don't play in a premade kind of consent to the fact that there will be some players that won't be playing as expected.
Now, I'm not saying that anything goes, these issues should of course be resolved.
Though a system to work against these types of players... well, let's just say it might take quite some time to tune it well, as I'm sure there are many players that might be against this change.
You could try to play with a premade squad instead of relying solely on the matchmaker to find teammates. This way, you will be able to avoid any potential issues with other players.
@XHelperZI'm not for enforcing any playstyle. I mix it up. Hot dropping is fine.
Exactly as you mentioned - there's no backfill, so just DC'ing immediately screws your squad and then their experience playing the game. And it's not like there is no alternative - If you want to queue in fast, hot drop in the biggest fire rinse & repeat fine. Queue solo. They're not playing as a team anyways.
I feel the opposite - if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad.
10 minute ban from matches would seriously curtail the practice. Permanent ban number could be higher, a number like 20 is pretty forgiving.- @Gator762FMJ It is shocking how many people refuse to just queue solo.
- XHelperZ3 years agoHero+
Damn, you're absolutely right.
It's just that when it comes to punishing players, well, let's just say it can go massively wrong.
Well, if this is going to become a thing, I'd say that it's probably better to start with a high treshold and move from there to see after how many matches in a certain time period should result in that
@Gator762FMJ I've been asking for this for so long. It doesn't have to be really harsh, but just enough to make it worth to not quit the game.
Others suggested blowing up Fragment will solve the issue, and i'm down to try it, but i think everyone will just start dropping on another POI like Syphon or Skyhook...
- Zulkiers3 years agoSeasoned AceHotdropping is not something I like, tends to be a partywipe every time.
Sometimes early drop is fine, when everyone else goes mid or late drop.
Now, I think that if a person leaves while downed, there should be a strike and timer. Dead but banner not out: Strike and timer, not as bad as downed leaving timer.
Dead and timed out but have a Support alive: strike and minor timer
D-TO-Support downed: like support alive
D-TO-Support dead, banner claimed: less penalty timer
D-TO-Support dead, banner not claimed but still ticking: like banner claimed
D-TO-Support dead, timed out: Free to leave as no chance of coming back from the dead because no support to craft the banner - reconzero3 years agoSeasoned Ace@Gator762FMJ
"if you're checking the box to fill Squadmates, you're consenting to play as a squad."
If you're checking the box to fill squadmates it's because you're not willing to wait 10 minutes for a match.
And careful with the whole "consenting to play as a squad" thing. That means different things to different people and you might easily find yourself the object of someone else's ire for a failure to imagine the game as they imagine it.
I would be the poster boy for this. As an experienced player who solo queues and most commonly is matched with seven year-old children who have 50 matches under their belt and the youthful assurance that they know everything there is to know about the game... I'm sure I could make a very legitimate case against each and every one of them for "not playing as a team," "for engaging in foolish, high-risk behavior," "for recklessly endangering themselves and their squadmates," and just generally "for not playing properly (meaning, the way I play)." Should I advocate for getting them all banned? Should they all sit a corner for ten minutes to think about what they did? I don't think so. They should get on with their lives. As should we all. With our casual, un-ranked, free-to-play game.
"10 minute ban from matches would seriously curtail the practice." Maybe, maybe not. It might just cause them to stay and screw with you in other ways out of spite. It might cause them to tiktok for 10 minutes and then repeat. It might cause the game to lose half its population. Let's face it: quitters buy things in the store just like everyone else.
And finally: if your jumpmaster chooses an LZ that you know is just plain dumb then you should break off. Period. Stop enabling that kind of stupidity. Whether they quit when downed is beside the point. Every time experienced teammates go along with a bad jumpmaster they send him the message that what he's doing is okay. And it isn't. @reconzeroI play no fill all the time. I never have a 10 minute wait for a queue. The longest it goes is 2 or 3 minutes usually. If you queue with a team and do your own thing the majority of the time while being annoyed I say just no fill.
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