your game is stupid as hell now
Apex is * now, Too many rats ratting for LP and not playing the game, LP has to be the stupidest god damn idea, It's basically unplayable.
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- @reconzero First and foremost you are playing a fps game, br is just a subgenre of it.
So yea man actually shooting your gun is the point of the game. Every ability in this game is in some way designed arround fighting, there is not a single legend that is about hiding, why you think is that ? Because hiding your way to top is the intended way to play ? Doesn’t look like it.
It’s funny that you try to describe the old ranking systems like “people who lose still feel as if they accomplished something“ when in reality That’s what the current system is about lol… people get to ranks they don’t deserve by simply investing time…get points for sitting afk arround in a corner… don’t even attempt to participate in the match just sit somewhere and pray zone ends close…
Just yesterday 16 squads alive we ran fragment through a building and holy f there was a bengalore sitting on the toilette… cmon man wtf, that’s current master lobby for you. Great gameplay. I feel like Im reading an argument between the far left and far right. This thread has become a good example of why the game needs a balanced system.
People that want to kill should be able to and still get points. People that want to camp should be able to. At some point though, each extreme needs to merge to get to the highest level of the game. A person who is gifted at killing needs to figure out rotation and map usage. I person who knows how to rotate without seeing people will need to actually shoot properly.
ALGS scoring does the above. I still do not get why ranked isn't like it. An edge team can go for 6 to 10 kills with decent placement and be positive. A rotation team can play for end game with only a few kills and be positive. Neither though is the best way.
- @hayhor 100% agree, please give us algs system.
@hayhor wrote:I feel like Im reading an argument between the far left and far right. This thread has become a good example of why the game needs a balanced system.
People that want to kill should be able to and still get points. People that want to camp should be able to. At some point though, each extreme needs to merge to get to the highest level of the game. A person who is gifted at killing needs to figure out rotation and map usage. I person who knows how to rotate without seeing people will need to actually shoot properly.
ALGS scoring does the above. I still do not get why ranked isn't like it. An edge team can go for 6 to 10 kills with decent placement and be positive. A rotation team can play for end game with only a few kills and be positive. Neither though is the best way.
@hayhor This is the way.
- @hayhor Yes. However placement points without participation is what grinds my gears. But yeah, agree, algs is a much better system. The whole point of ranked is to gauge skill and doing so with only a win or placement means little.
- @reconzero Bro, I'm not rationalizing anything. I gave you the literal definition of BR, not the stuff forum members made up about survival, and still you insist that skill is measured only by winning. If that's true why don't we see every player doing it your way? Because we all know better. You know who has the most wins on the leaderboards? Their playstyle is anything but hiding. If this was Tarkov I would agree, but it's not.
- @blackeyeriver
I didn't say skill was measured only by winning. I said that if I was in charge of rankings then you would get a point for a win and no points for anything less. Not quite sure where everyone gets the idea that that would equal a game without gun fights, or a game where luck is the decider. It's harsh, yes. But it hardly removes skill from the equation. What it doesn't do is hand out anything to people who insist on treating battle royale like team deathmatch.
And you do see more people doing it this way, at least in ranked. Because the post-season-13 changes are designed to discourage hot drops and other behaviors that make winning harder for the average player who might not know any better. While I don't really care for the rat strategy..it is still a viable strategy for br games.
Everyone has their own play styles some are more aggressive and some are more defensive while some are more stealthy.
I don't play ranked because it doesn't reward in a balanced way and the Mm is hell.
With a system that prioritizes your placement over anything else, I don't blame people for taking that rat strategy to the top. The only problem is, it makes for inaccurate lobbies, and inaccurately rewards players for a job well done when in reality all they have done is luck out in the end and don't actually deserve it.
Should your placement matter in a br? Of course, but certainly not as much as winning the match and it certainly shouldn't out weigh the other important factors that come in the br genre. Ie kills and even damage.
A team that rats and manages to last until 5th place shouldn't be rewarded more than the team who lasted 6th but at least got a single kill.
For the players with a more aggressive style kills should be worth something, otherwise, why even call it a br anymore?
It just turns into rat simulator 2023 with increased odds of wall hacks being used.
If the br ranked system only rewarded wins, I doubt anyone would play it. I didn't play the arena ranked for that very reason. Why should I work my * off, get 6 knocks, over 1k damage, carry my entire bot team, and get nothing for my efforts just because we lost?
It's infuriating to say the least and if you put that into a game mode where there's 60 players and what, 25 teams, it would probably lead to apex's very quick downfall.
You might as well just get rid of the ranked mode entirely and only have pubs.
- @reconzero You are missing the point. Ranked exists to give out badges for a certain skill level. If you can manipulate that by ratting you are not demonstrating skill at all and you do not deserve said badge.
I gave you the very explanation of what a BR is - eliminating opposition until you are the last team standing. In a way it is a team deathmatch, but with many teams and a zone and no infinite respawn plus some healing so you can survive.
What you promote and have said countless times previously, is that BR is to be played as a survival game aka ratting and 3rd partying the last team. I would legit ban players that did that. It removes all skill and the whole purpose of what BR is. Fight to the top yes, be clever about it of course, don't take dumb fights - we all know this, but that does not mean you can "cleverly" rat and only fight the last team while everyone else did the hard work for you. It's borderline cheating. This is an fps game and should be played as such.
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