@7empePL wrote:
@supermatze0202Game Mode "on", HAGS "on", fullscreen optimization disabled. NVIDIA Driver 461.40. However Game Mode and HAGS in any combination do not cause the stuttering. Stuttering is caused by drastical latency increase of the NVIDIA kernel driver due to the scheduler assigning CPU time to other process like disk I/O, hardware polling (e.g. temperature readouts, RGB control - especially with non static light scheme and so on). Random, significant frametime spikes may be caused by this. Regular stuttering is rather caused by wrong configuration of the Reflex/FPS cap/V-Sync/G-Sync/NVCP settings.
Stuttering and lag are caused by TRASH servers, TRASH netcode, TRASH game optimization ex (every ult. gibby, horizion, bangalore, thermite grenades, have a big impact on FPS drops no matter what graphic card/settings you have) all combined = TRASH gaming experiance!
If your system can maintain ex. 190 fps, during intense gun fights/ults your fps will drop to 140, if you cap your fps to 140 so you don t have fps drops anymore it will still drop to 90 ... so any hardware/software you have this game will still behave poorly because nobody is taking the time to investigate/fix the things that are important for gameplay, they concentrate their energy in making it look pretty for twitch to make kids spend money on skins and loot boxes!
@7empePL+ the fact like 2-3 other peeps are getting the same exact 3 frametime spike pattern is also a big giveaway.
As for change I did go from a 1080ti on driver 442.59 (last driver without reflex which didn't have the issue from what I remember) to a 3080.Nothing else has been changed other then that.
Sadly I can't go back to a reflexless driver on a 3080 just to test if the specific 3 pattern spike shows up on it because it could rule out the driver then and the only culprit left would be the game.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/notifications/comment/202948/ Yea another issue that Nvidia messed up.I tried contacting manuel there I got ignored.This was 25 days ago.
I used the command to turn off reflex and since the game stopped capping at 138 fps I assumed it worked and reflex was off.It did not fix the frametime when testing so I used rtss to frame limit to 138 and 99% of the frametime was rock solid 7.1ms instead of wildly flailing between 6.9-10ms.
Also the Nvidia fps limiter doesn't workd properly with Apex either as the frametime still remains uncontrollable.RTSS does it tho.
@supermatze0202V-sync on CP/off ingame and -3 max frame limit.That's it.
Always used these settings before with apex and never got any issues.
Oops.
Edit:ignore my comment.I saw the reply notification and tought you spoke with me.
@7empePLI just tried using the nvidia fps limiter to 141 on apex with and without "reflex" using this command "+gfx_nvnUseLowLatency 0" and the frametime was still erratic on both.
The only difference the command did was removing the 138fps cap.
Reflex not actually getting properly disabled as it should maybe?
You said it yourself "responsibility of frame pacing with Reflex is moved to the game" the game isn't fully disabling reflex even with the command then.
Another question is if its the game itself thats not letting reflex be disabled properly then why did driver 442.59 not have these erratic frametimes?That tells me the driver is related.
i have this issue too i have 1060 nvidia i used run fine before new update i play 75hz on vsync.
I contacted barry with this
"Main thread https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Anyone-getting-the-same-random-stutter-ingame-W-frametime... Some users discussing the same 3 quick frametime spike issue.(I even saw it on my brothers pc)
We even discuss the same issue here with a picture from another user with a similar pattern 3 quick frametime spike pattern https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Massive-fps-drop-season-7/td-p/9697656/page/18
And another thread where I discuss the same issue https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/3080-tuf-oc-ed-same-stutter-in-apex-once-twice-a-game-w-frametimeg... and potential cause.Tests where done using Windows performance toolkit.Results on page 3.
Comment from the thread "Yeah, its a weird issue, it'll likely get thrown back at EA and the developer told to shift some work off of Thread 0 back to other cores, theres also the potential of them configuring the process priority to above normal or higher which can make for a weird case where the kernel doesn't assign the driver enough cpu time."
Any of this info useful in some way?"
Proof of the issue from multiple users,testing to remedy the issue and even logs with windows performance toolkit.
Hopefully he's not an "NvidiaManuel" and ignores potential help.I've done all I could at this point.
I found a fix for these kind of spikes, at least for AMD. Rivatuner + double buffered vsync. This is the only way to get rid of them.
I still need to download the update and check.
@supermatze0202Out what curiosity.What kind of headset do you have?
I played 3 games with no issues but the moment I lowered my mic on my sennheiser game one I got a 3 frametime spike stutter.Wasn't reproducable as it only happened the first time I lowered my mic (the headset mic turns off while its up and turns on while its down)
Don't know if its just a giant coincedance.
Ok I played 15 games or so and the first time I got the 3 quick frametime stutter
* Was when I lowered my mic on my seinheiser (only happened once)
* 2nd time mic was lowered already
* 3rd time happened with mic up but was down few mins earlier
* 4th time mic was up yet it still happened.
I don't think mic is related since on the forth time it also happened with mic up.
https://imgur.com/a/HyrZJUJ same old same old frametime spike (bit different but I can tell its the same)
@supermatze0202Tried removing the command and disabling fullscreen optimization and sadly it still happened.Same 3 quick frametime stutters.
Also there's an option to disable reflex which was already set to disabled....So the issue is not because of reflex?wut
Wierdly the frametime is still erratic if I don't use RTSS so there's something going on even with reflex disabled.
I'm so close to uninstalling this game.
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