Apex Legends Crash no error - PC (apex_crash.txt)

Okay, I managed to fix my crashes.

All I did was downclock my CPU from 4.8 to 4.7GHz and now the game runs flawlessly.

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@Maticruss wrote:

Okay, I managed to fix my crashes.

All I did was downclock my CPU from 4.8 to 4.7GHz and now the game runs flawlessly.

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Yep, that's the problem and they need to do something about that because after more then 2 years it's ridiculous to have the same issue in the game.

@CroL0co This is quite ignorant, your CPU is unstable using a certain instruction set. I mean its not a bug, maybe the instructions that are causing the crashes are used more or less each patch or are a little different each patch, but its clearly your own responsibility to reach enough stability in the applications you want to use.

And there isnt anything like 100% stability, especially not on desktop/consumer plattforms. 

@NarfTV There is a post in this thread from 2019 by the dev's that they know the problem is an issue with how the code interacts with the CPU and they patched it in 2019. But the bug is back so it must have re-introduced in a later update.

@Coca666 yes ive read that post, and there isnt any word about a bug, its said that its a hardware flaw of Intel CPUs. A flaw you can fix on your own. They made a bandaid for it because they like us, But would you rather have to increase voltage a little/decrease clockspeed by 100mhz or have -100FPS or ridiculous framedrops in some areas just because the instructions arent used to their potential? 

BTW, i havnt crashed since ive added a little bit of vcore, dont even know how long ago... like 11 days? And on some days im playing 12hours+

I mean you could probably also fix it by just pimping your CPU cooling ... depending on what you have..

@NarfTV Maybe there is an issue with Intel (no way of knowing) but they could fix it in the code but now the bug is back. It's still a code issue and they just need to patch it again. All the workaround with down clocking, vcore and so on are just band aids for an unstable game with spaghetti code.

@Coca666 if the code would be the problem, everyone would suffer from crashes. But that just isnt the case.

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@NarfTV wrote:

@CroL0co This is quite ignorant, your CPU is unstable using a certain instruction set. I mean its not a bug, maybe the instructions that are causing the crashes are used more or less each patch or are a little different each patch, but its clearly your own responsibility to reach enough stability in the applications you want to use.

And there isnt anything like 100% stability, especially not on desktop/consumer plattforms. 

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No. If my CPU is stable in every other game, application and stress tests then there is 0 reasons why it shouldn't work like that in Apex Legends.

You can't tell me that in one patch (1 big patch ago) the game was running perfectly stable 1.3v 5.0ghz and now it can't handle 1.34v 5.0ghz. I literally didn't change any of my settings , hell I don't even update windows when Apex is running without crashes, and then the game starts crashing right after the patch.

It's a well known issue and every once in a while they mess it up with a patch and then you have an influx of players coming to the forums and complaining about crashes and lowering the clocks or increasing the voltage is the only "fix".

@CroL0co well stress tests doesnt work like games. in stress tests you have a synthetic load with a constant 100% load, in games its more like load bursts (on/off, on/off, on/off etc.) This creates a whole different load and temperatur situation for your CPU, also i highly doubt that while stresstesting you have put load on your GPU or use any sounds, which also affects stability, so the stress tests you have probably done are basically useless for gaming stability testing.. you just didnt knew that.

Also Apex legends is heavily using AVX instructions, which most games try to avoid as good as they can, so you cant stability test for Apex with other games either, so your statement doesnt even make sense to me. Your game is crashing, because your CPU isnt stabile enough for the game, thats the only reason, and you can fix that. I dont see the problem.

Again your'e talking nonsense and defending Respawn for some unknown reason.

I know that stress testing doesn't show 100% of the picture, but I have been using PCs for quite some time and it showed me that you can rely ony stres tests in 99.9% of the time.

It's funny how you completely ignored the part where I said how in one patch it's working perfectly then in the other it get's messed up without me changing a thing, then in some other patch it get's fixed again. I'm playing Apex since day 1 and that problem is persistant, I did my researsh, tested every possible "fix" and I'm familiar the problem very well.

Also there are plenty of games using AVX nowadays, best example to this date is Battlefield 5 which is a heavily CPU intensive game and uses AVX. I can run it with voltage even lower then those required for stress tests.

So yea, Respawn has to fix their issues, it's getting pathetic at this point.

im not talking nonsense nor do i try to defend respawn or anything, let me explain my point of view further

My goal with my PC / Overclock is it to have it stable for everything i do. 

The thing is yes there are games using AVX, but there is more, there is AVX2 and AVX512 and so on, and its not only 1 instruction, its ALOT of INSTRUCTIONS. 

Apex as stated by respawn is using instructions that most other games dont use. 

So if my CPU isnt stable for those instructions i fix it. Because its just a matter of time other games or applications i use will make use of those instructions and i want a reliable PC.

Now the thing that the crashes start/stop with patches is because respawn trys to change some value's here and there to get better stability for more poeple, wich is a service by them not a must in my opinion. The only thing they are responsible for is that your hardware is compatible and not that its stable when you run it out of spec f.e. while overclocking. Thats in your responsibility.

You have to understand that Apex is an exception in this whole story.

Thinking how one day in some game the same instructions will be used that might cause some cpu's to crash is wrong.

If others can manage to make their games run normal then Apex also has to run normal also. Especially if everything else is running without issues. Period.

Apex is running normal, you just have an unstable CPU overclock. PERIOD. 

If you arent able to overclock properly you should consider running your CPU at stock settings. And stop blaming developers for your own faults / selfmade crashes.

why should any developer renounce using instructions losing features, optimisations and quality in coding/apps/games just for a small group of people that arent capable of doing stable overclocks or using CPU "x" while on other CPUs and stock settings everything is fine. 

Why should any developer punish everyone just because you want to run your CPU with higher clocks without enough voltage? Doesnt make sense bro.

Apex is even crashing on stock CPU's and my OC is 100% stable, tested through numerous stress tests, applications and games. PERIOD. You can't tell me that Apex needs 0.05v-0.06v more to run stable compared to all the other (much more demanding) stuff I run with my CPU.

I have been OCing CPU's for years and haven't once come with an issue like Apex, just because you're a Respawn fanboy and a wannabe CPU engineer is unimportant.

So please stop poluting the thread with ignoirance and let the devs do their job.

yea get insulting because you have no arguments. 

Thats really sad. 

End of discussion u are just ignorant with your unstable overclock.

I gave you more then enough arguments, it's your problem that you're ignoring them all and keeping up your fanboyism.

Luckily you're unimportant and the devs will fix it like they did it before. In the meantime I will enjoy my rock solid OC in every other game I play.

Next time educate yourself. Period.

bro, you made me laugh, i should educate myself, well my game isnt crashing :D 
ITS YOURS with your UNSTABLE CPU OC :D

bro learn to OC. its not that hard.

The thing is you dont have any valid argument so its the same thing as having none. Period. (and still no reason to try getting personal, just because you are getting mad, this is what people do when they know they are wrong about something, btw).

I'm not mad, if anythign you made me laugh by ignoring all the arguments I gave to you because of your brutal ignorance. Luckily you're unimportant and just like in the past the devs who understand this problem will fix it with a patch. 

You can stop spamming this thread now because it's obvious you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

im not spamming at all

your arguments are :

-> other games dont crash

-> apex was "bandaided for stupid people in the past"

-> your "stress tests are going through"

all of them got very well treated by me already. 

I just dont want to repeat myself over and over again.

There is a post about this on page 19 of this thread, explaining why its happening yes,  you might read and understand it. Its not a problem with the code or the game or anything, Its just your CPU needs additonal voltage for certain AVX instructions to be stable. Instructions that Apex is using, which most other games dont, which you also cant reliably stresstest with any tool or any other game. You would need to understand how stresstesting works and why its not always working for gaming, which i also explained a few comments back. If you actually would have another application using this instructions in a gaming load scenario your application would most likely also crash because your CPU OC isnt stable for it.

Those are the facts 

You are trying to deny that at all costs calling me ignorant instead of realizing your own ignorance and giving me foolish, uneducated insulting and degatory anwers with no further arguments or anything within reason.  

1. Your main"statement" and "mind flow" is that Apex is the only measure for stability.

2.You ignore the FACT that EVERYTHING ELSE including stress tests, other games (that even use AVX) and applications work perfectly fine. So basically what you're saying is that everything else should adjust to some faulty code written in Apex.

3. You also ignroe the FACT that Apex crashes even for people who run their cpu's on stock.

4. You ignore the FACT that the game runs flawlesly on one patch for months, then the OC becomes "unstable" right after a patch drops and the game starts crashing. Then a miracle happens and the OC becomes stable after a new patch.

5. It's obvious that you have no clue about overclocking because if something (be it a stress test, game or application) crashes an OC, while all the other stuff is running fine, then it means you're right at the edge of stability and you need to add just a little more voltage for it to be 100% stable. In case of Apex you need to pump in 0.06-0.07 more voltage or downclock 200-300mhz which is ridiculous.

6. I red page 19 ages ago and I understand the issue. I also know they fixed the iussue back then, but the problem is that the game keeps evolving, new stuff is being added and that they need to fight with such faulty codes from time to time. Exactly that is the story with patches, they are adressing those codes and they need the community to gather the info in order fix them asap. The problem is more dificult when a wannabe who has no clue about overclocking is spamming the thread to boost up his ignorant ego. Now sit down and let the people do their job.

1. Nope, thats not my statement the opposite is the case im saying your CPU isnt stable for a certain instruction

2. No i dont ignore that, and i pointed out why stress testing for gaming can be more difficult and stress tests alone arent valid.

3. i dont ignore that but "stock" is not "stock" if its crashing stock because motherboard manufacturer #1 uses different bios settings than #2 like different power limit settings / different enhanced multicore performance, going for intel spec or not etc. something like this can happen, but its mostly either a bios, driver, windows or conflicting software issue  Which is why people get asked in support to post their dx diag and pc specs, there are a multitude of things that could go wrong even when using "stock" settings, not even talking about cooling/heat and other stuff.

4. That i didnt ingored either, i said what is written in the official posts in this thread from EA developers that they are trying to change values to let apex crash less often even if you are running your CPU unstable to a certain point. Which is as i said for me a service and not a must.

5. I do this for 25years kid, you cant even imagine what i know. But i can tell you that in my case its not even a 100mhz difference/ 0.03v tops, i would expect that you are so bad in overclocking that your eventmanager is full of WHEA errors. So either your OC is complete *, or your game crashes occur for multiple reasons and not only bc of your CPU OC. Maybe you are using a 3year old AiO cooler with temp spikes you dont even recognize because your pump is partially failing, i cant tell i dont know your PC at all.

6. No thats not the case, only because you had luck to have good developers trying to fix selfmade stability problems for you, doesnt mean that your CPU ever was stable enough for it.

The only thing i agree on is that i believe they will work on it and try to help some people fixing their stability issues via bandaid patches or in support, but your main issue will still remain then. Which is flawed Hardware or bad OC. And this * will happen to you all over again in one of the  next patches, or one of the next games that gets published. Modern games will make use more and more of this instruction sets, and there is no way to go around this other then adapting or fixing YOUR problem yourself, because it is YOURs .

Hey all, when posting on AHQ please do so in a polite and constructive manner.

It is never acceptable to post in a way that is insulting to another user and if you are unable to post on AHQ with attacking others then we would ask that you refrain from posting.

Darko

After the wall of "text" you're again basically saying "It's not important if your CPU works perfectly fine with everything else, just because Apex is crashing it means it's unstable." and "One day ,who knows when, games will start to use codes that crash the game to desktop so better be prepared to bump 1v more into your CPU."

Thx for the explanation and gl in life, you will need it.

you are writing nonsense and again trying to personally attack me, just stay with the facts and bring plausible arguments please.

Everything else has been said/hinted more then 3times now, if you dont want or cant understand it, fine

twisting my words around in some weird self logic no one else can follow wont change anything. You already have lost this discussion.

If you need assistance to understand overclocking, stability or how to avoid apps from crashing please visit forums/boards where you can educate yourself more deeply instead of shitposting here.

For everyone else that had to follow this weird repeating discussion, im sorry just tried to help him. 

Ofc everythign has been said 3 times, my OC is 100% stable in everything that I hit it with, but Apex needs to fix their code a bit like they did in the past. Have been OC-ing cpu's for ages and never come across something like this so yeah, not my fault. The whole system is running like a charm, few months ago there was a fresh install of windows and 0 signs of something not working properly.

The only thing you wanted to help is your own ego, but you failed.