3 years ago

BF 2042 128 players conquest maps are a millions time better than Reclaimed 64

Well its sad to see that some of the most ignorants in BF franchises history made DICE doubts themselves about the 128 players map design ..

Of course there was some improvements to be made .. more cover added and so on .. But the overall scales and variety in the maps like Orbital , Manifest , Discarded etc.. is UNMATCHED

and create very interesting and dynamics combat scenario's

Maps like the new 64 players only RECLAIMED is uninspired .. and feel old and outdated in many ways and gets boring and repetitive very fast most match ending up in almost a spawn kill of the enemy which reminded me how bad most of the old BF maps were ..

EL ALAMEIN is another great example of a so call popular maps who is a barebone boring design while classic and i had fun in it back then its just not on part with maps like Manifest and or Orbital ..

Competition like COD warzone create really amassing Battle royal maps and its the variety in the environment that bring fun and unpredictability into a match ..

DICE have done a great jobs in creating 2042 maps .. and i think the Original Manifest had a really NICE environment and i am missing one of the capture point they have removes it was a really good choke point for battles ...

DICE should double down on the 128 players formula and improve on it , with better cover placement , better flow predictability , better squad and team managements , larger lobby for players more clans options to COME BACK INTO THE BF2 STYLE EXPERIENCE WHERE we can have more organized while also allowing randoms to join in .. Right now we have way to little communication tools between squad no squad leader chat , no lobby more than 4 players ..

We need :

More 128 players maps and commitment from DICE to double down and improve on it even going to 256 players modes
Bigger lobby 8 to 16 players at least
Clan support to be able to recruits players and have cohesive experience
Less focus on solo play and more on team play
A Battle royal like ( Hazard zone ) experience with 128+ players not 32 on a bigger map than what we have mashing up the ones we have together if need be

RECLAIMED is boring ... plain and simple .. Orbital , Manifest , Discarded are the Gold standard of this franchise !

discussion

21 Replies

GrizzGolf
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
I like most of the maps. Even Reclaimed. Reclaimed feels like BF4 to me so I enjoy it. But each their own!
UP_Hawxxeye
Legend
3 years ago
They have shown they cannot handle 128 man in map design.
My beef with the last 2 maps we got is that they deny the full combined arms arsenal (no jets) without trying to make an infantry only map either.
Alethes
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Stew360 the concept of 128-players plus what you describe sounds great. It's what I expected before launch. The problem is that somehow 2042 does not lend itself to teamwork. Others in this forum have been vocal about it and explained it better than I would.

So the result is 64 players going about randomly against 64 players going about randomly, in huge maps. There's just no excitement or feeling of "we're jointly fighting for this objective." Imagine the Greeks against the Persians back then. Wouldn't it be a joy to emulate that feeling.
xpaydayx
3 years ago
Reclaimed is a bottom of the barrel uninspired one laned garbage fire. The only good map in the game is exposure (conquest) and I truly believe that. Exposure genuinely encapsulates the combined arms aspect of BATTLEFIELD like no other map in the game. The verticality and indoor areas afford you many different ways to play the round. The weakest part of the map is the fact that when you're out in the open you're REALLY out in open and a trillion sightlines let snipers pick you off. And that is a serious critique but thats more of a symptom of modern DICE. That exact issue persists throughout every single map in the game. At least with Exposure you can get creative and it's not just a flat boring map. Typically, verticality is bad in competitive games but conquest isn't really meant for the competitive play. It's more sand boxy and more for squad/team play.
Wargame_Enj0yer
3 years ago
In my eyes, Reclamined is a step further away from what Battlefield is. Reclaimed feels like a refined TDM map, it has little to do with conquest and I dont understand why DICE crammed the vehicles on the map which have too little room to properly move in. Even 64 players feels it's too much for this map.
DICE should be going the Battlebit way (which took the right turn) instead of the small-smaller-smallest map making approach.
kregora
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@Stew360 The maps may be okay for Hazard Zone, but all maps are very far from great for infantry centered modes.
They all lack the finess of former Battlefield maps.
If you look at BF4 all the big maps are vehicle centric with 3-4 times as many vehicles, with "only" 64 players.
All BF2042 maps are NOT designed for traveling on foot.

I really hope they learn from the mistakes made with BF2042, to make it better in the next game.
Wargame_Enj0yer
3 years ago
@xpaydayx I think Renewal is also a very good map. Big enough for the vehicles, wisely designed enough to deliver infantry a good experience.
xpaydayx
3 years ago
@Wargame_Enj0yer Id say I partially agree. The partial-ness stems from the trash "rework". The OG layout was significantly better on 128 with the added hill. Even though cringelords would sit on it and snipe it was still fun to battle around the hill trying to cap those 2 points (A1/2 I think?). They basically removed that entire area for the sake of adding a tiny bit of cover throughout the rest of the map. Yet I've never once made use of the "lanes" they were talking about when they were leading up to the release of Renewal 2.0. All of the reworks are a disgraceful use of resources.
JOGAGATYA
Seasoned Ace
3 years ago
@xpaydayx Exactly! I think unfortunately the reworks were kind of a waste of resources. Fundamentally they are the same maps. I feel it's important to be vocal about showing support for large maps. Not everyone wants to fight close quarters only. i am saying this before DICE gets the idea of making a new BF with maps ALL looking like Reclaimed. By the way, and i said this many times, while Hourglass is huge, you can also have close quarters fights in the stadium. Genius. Everyone can have fun on that map. (Until maybe the rework....)
Stew360
3 years ago
@TheseusJason
Yep and now the DICE staff responsible for the game try to make it as if 128 player and scale is the problem while its the design aspect that they try to build on SOLO and lone wolfing instead of teamplay and giving us better option to organise and play decent combines arms .. Game like MAG have nailed this aspect .. with proximity chat with team mates and ennemy .. Command structure , lobby up to 32 players , clan support etc.. this is where its lacking ...

64 players maps always end up into some sort of steamroll and spawn trap from one side or the other . lack of vehicles lead to infantry steam roll and so on ... DICE need to double down on scales and make better command structure to come back on the BF2 roots ! Enough of this lone wolf COD style COD BF3 as created ..