So first of all I hope that they remove random bullet deviation and static middlescreen crosshairs. I mean this balancing concept is so ancient and 'gamey', it's time for innovation!In the trailer we've seen very little gunplay, but I have noticed reticles move more freely and realistically, which is very nice!I hope these reticle recoil patterns dictate and visualize the actual accuracy of guns. So for balancing reasons, if for instance we have a larger caliber/more lethal gun, it will have more violent reticle bounce. This sort of system would also make the guns feel alot more punchy and snappy!Greets,A very old BF fan who's interested coming back to the franchise.

We had wobbling crosshairs in BF4 at launch and it was one of the most complained about mechanics, so much so that they removed it.What I would like to see is guns with a set recoil pattern that can be learned a la Counterstrike. It would increase the skill ceiling considerably but to the average casual who doesn't dig into such details anyway would not feel any different.

Other than the guns that require a deployed bipod to fire accurately, Battlefield 5's guns genuinely feel the best to use in the series and I hope they stick with it. For all the things BF5 got wrong, most agree that the way the guns handle was not one of them. I really do hope they don't go back to the cone of chance gunplay of older titles.

Yer we need LASERs, ohh wait let's use hitscan too. It is a game? Yes, but having every bullet go exactly where aimed is over the top. Actual real life doesn't even have that.What is being asked for is a very fast TTK, you may as well make every bullet 1 hit killGun mechanic may have been good to some in BFV but the TTK sucked. Which was a big complaint in BFV. Many ask for the ability to counter when in a vehicle yet for infantry we have the ability to counter snipers but someone with AR at 100m still needs to be able to kill all fast because it is not fun for the shooter, great logic applied selectively.Again youse are playing a game. If real life stats like RPM are used with low BTK the TTK becomes too fast with the massive full damage hit boxes players have, so other stats need to be adjusted. Having accuracy as the only factor in a game when weapons failure, temperature, wind or muscle fatigue are not factors, makes it to low skill and easy to kill. This is why precision(spread), velocity, gravity and drag are need to make killing harder and requiring skill. People need to think of all players not just the how the AR shooters feels.

@DingoKillrand @OskooI_007 are pretty much on it for me.And one thing to bare in mind about sights jumping around is the potential issue of motion sickness.For me, somewhere between BF4 and BF1 would be bout right.

@-ExiLe_ZH Welcome back!I can say that random bullet variance found in BF4 has been heavily changed in more "current" Battlefields. "Bullet spread" is still in-game, but first shot accuracy is not random. Finally, recoil patterns are similar across multiple bursts, but not identical.^ That is from BFV gunplay mechanics.Middle screen crosshair has been, is, and always will be as I can tell, part of the game. You can of course change whether or not you see it and what it looks like, but those features have been in the series for a bit now.I will agree with you in hoping that there have been improvements to gunplay overall as well as the "feel" and look of those systems as well... we will all be able to test it soon enough!

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carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@-ExiLe_ZH Welcome back!
I can say that random bullet variance found in BF4 has been heavily changed in more "current" Battlefields. "Bullet spread" is still in-game, but first shot accuracy is not random. Finally, recoil patterns are similar across multiple bursts, but not identical.
^ That is from BFV gunplay mechanics.

Middle screen crosshair has been, is, and always will be as I can tell, part of the game. You can of course change whether or not you see it and what it looks like, but those features have been in the series for a bit now.

I will agree with you in hoping that there have been improvements to gunplay overall as well as the "feel" and look of those systems as well... we will all be able to test it soon enough!
GRiPSViGiL
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@-ExiLe_ZH Gunplay is in a really good place currently in BFV. If you manage your firing rate appropriately you can be super accurate. I just hope we don't get anything like what BF4 has as it feels really dated and has that gamey feel you describe when compared.
Noodlesocks
5 years ago
Other than the guns that require a deployed bipod to fire accurately, Battlefield 5's guns genuinely feel the best to use in the series and I hope they stick with it. For all the things BF5 got wrong, most agree that the way the guns handle was not one of them. I really do hope they don't go back to the cone of chance gunplay of older titles.
-ExiLe_ZH
5 years ago
@carsono311 Hey thanks!
Also @Noodlesocks @Noodlesocks, I haven't played BFV, in fact the last game I played extensively was BF3 before I quit gaming, I have played BF1 a little bit a few years back but it wasn't quite a comeback.
I've now seen some footage of BFV and it seems to be an improvement over older mechanics indeed! The spread definitely isn't as bad as older titles and you have slight visual feedback in the reticle. It isn't just a fixed crosshair that's part of the HUD. It actually seems to follow the barrel movements, mimicking real life parallax (free) effects, though it's a bit too subtle still IMO.
Judging on the new trailer, this visual feedback in the reticle looks even better and a bit more aggressive. I can't exactly tell how it functions yet and where the bullets are landing, so that's my main concern here. I hope the stronger visual feedback also means they reduce randomness even more, that would be great!
But yea, we will probably find out soon enough!
carsono311
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@-ExiLe_ZH Ah okay, now that you mentioned parallax movement, yes there is some visual feedback to simulate that effect, but the reticle point of aim is still where the bullet will go… (again have to mention the bullet spread variable here, of course it’s more relevant to full auto)

Recoil patterns are the main feedback / resistance to in-game accuracy and they do have a small random component still associated with them.

Again, all this is based on BFV gunplay. I look forward to trying this out myself and hopefully soon!
akula_r
5 years ago
Since you bring up gunplay I also had a thought the other day.. Now that guns are no longer tied to classes they don't necessarily need to be balanced as class specific weapons. The thought is that some guns such as sniper rifles and LMGs actually 'weigh' more. Because these weapons are no longer tied to classes no one class is effected - just the users that decide to use them. Having the guns effect things such as sprint speed, stamina, ADS time, etc... I think it would be a nice thing if some of these heavy weapons actually felt weighty.
Obviously this would be balanced out by them doing more damage - as LMGs are in real life they do have more weight and firepower to them.
cso7777
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@NoodlesocksI really hope they keep the gun-play from BFV.

I play on PC and don't know how the guns work/feel on console, but on PC they seem pretty fine in BFV.

The system where your bullets go where the gun aims in BFV (mostly), is much better than BF4/BF1. RBD was not intuitive, bullets not flying where the gun aims, just felt off somehow. Controlling spread in BF4/BF1 was annoying, because you had no visual indication from your gun on the screen.

If the gun-play needs randomness, put the randomness in recoil, this way you can still visually see why you miss your shots (again like in BFV).
-ExiLe_ZH
5 years ago
@akula_r Ty for bringing this idea to this topic, I do like the idea. Some games already do this (insurgency for example) and I think it's a logical and proven balancing concept. Same could be done for additional equipment, where for instance an extra rocket launcher weighs you down quite a bit more than smoke grenades etc. > affecting these factors you already mentioned.

Actually insurgency has quite a sophisticated system, where your character even gets lighter when shooting through your ammunition.
PacNbowls
Seasoned Ace
5 years ago
@-ExiLe_ZH Personally I would like them to bring back the original Bipod functions that the have on bf3 and BF4. Hopefully it's not the one class has the best weapon while the others get nerfed left and right.
-ExiLe_ZH
5 years ago
@cso7777 From what I've heard from you guys and from what Iv'e seen so far, BFV is big step into the right direction (sorry for not being up to date with the bf series).
I hope they will improve upon this concept and make it even better.
Hope you guys are not gonna hate me for this,
but I think MW19 is another good example and I think they did a phenomenal job at the recoil patterns (> I'm NOT a COD fan all). It has strong visual feedback in the crosshairs, making the guns feel very punchy while the bullets land exactly where the reticle aims. Check out the SCAR here at 57:25 for example and look at the red dot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MglAQncpTM&t=3445s