Helicopter balancing is Pathetic STILL.

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@RaginSam wrote:

@UP_Hawxxeye

A Wildcat should totally destroy anything close to them. I think the damage they do across the map is already really minimal, and there's usually so much cover that air vehicles just ignore you anyways. I had an attack heli fly straight towards me and it just outright killed me before I could take half of their health with the 30mm cannon... that's pathetic balancing. They need some real gamers to give feedback. How in the world does something that fly and have free-range of the map have more health then a slow moving vehicle?

I was hitting all my shots and there's nothing that I can do personally to improve. It's just busted, and has been since release. Dice is just simply infactuated with Helicopters. It's bizarre.

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As I have said numerous times, the wildcat 30 mm is useless after Dice reduced 25% its damage against attack helis.

the 30 mm right now is 100% certified useless (if people say otherwise, they are just wrong).

I do not like the 35 mm because of its extreme short reach, but for now people need to use it.

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@ATFGunr wrote:
@RaginSamThe stationary AA guns in both 1 and V were decent and when manned could pretty easily defeat air. Not every time mind you, some pilots are just good, but usually. Since they don’t give us stationaries in 2042, the only option is the Wildcat and as you’ve said, it’s nerfed into the ground. All we’re asking is a viable counter Dice!

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You bring up a good point. You could capture a point and then defend that area with a stationary AA gun. That's what good game design looks like. It was an extremely boring and tedious task to sit there and wait for a plane to actually get close enough to shoot it down, but it was at least an effective tool. What would usually happen is that pilot would avoid that part of the map. Not the perfect solution, but more then we have now it feels like.

Everything that was effective in 2042 has been nerfed or just taken away. The class system limiting who can carry stingers was a huge misstep. Nerfing the Rorsch into oblivion against any vehicle. The nerfs to the Wildcat...

They did add that new turret to Reclaimed, but it's in a pretty awkward spot and still can get out gunned by a heli if you just blink at the wrong time. I also noticed that helis can lock onto you before they're even visible on your screen or through structures somehow. It also shoots the slowest projectiles, seriously It's like paint ball velocity. It's just really bad game design forcing someone to sit still in one spot, just to stop 1-2 people from completely dominating the entire lobby. Waiting on them to make a big mistake, which even a slightly above average pilot won't put themselves in that situation.

@ATFGunrThe AA in BF 5 did not stand a chance against any half way decent pilot.

Pilots could fire their missiles from an out of range position!

I basically fly the apache and hokum only in this game and  I have more than 1000 hrs in both together.

I must disagree for the most part on this, not totally but mostly.

first of all the attack heli comes with 2 players a pilot and a gunner, only in this combination the attack heli is really strong

the wildcat comes also with 3 slots, but its only mostly one guy inside campin with the wildcat. if 2 players play the wildcat with a flak pod on the other seat it is very powerful vs attack helis basically vs every aircraft.

secondly wildcat players are mostly not good players, they dont use their environment to cover at all. they dont use Irish APS, nor do they use smoke to cloud themelves intelligently. they are just like sitting ducks. they dont focus on the aircraft, they ignore the fact that the aircraft is up again and come completely unprepared. they dont look at the map where the heli is while they spawn it. simply speaking again the genuine wildcat players dont play clever

I have encountered good wildcat players, who were definetely a threat to attack helis, they would call it on the field instead spawning it in base. they would move and smoke and shoot so that they were hard to hit. they would not give away their position. they would surprise the aircraft. they would play the wildcat in a squad with flak pod and melt aircraft. basically they would play clever. there are more things which they would do, which Im not gonna share because,

it is definetely a skill issue

and you are just too lazy to practice good wildcat playing and also you lack the social skills to find other players to team up with you to play the wildcat effectively you just come here to let your frustration out. you see none of u in this  post here offer tactics how to do better, all u do is cry for buffs or nerfs. even if they buff the cat, players like you would still get farmed, simply bc and again you dont want to practice, you want it the easy way and when u read my reply u feel offended instead of inspired. I dont mean to be mean and if you take my reply the wrong way. like emotionally, its ur bad experiences u made in ur life that make u understand this as an attack on you, if you do so you deserve to get farmed

Even then: when locked just fly away, fire rediciously fast regenerating flares, duck behind buildings or lower hight and locks are lost. When airplane locks on you're toast. Not much this.kitten can do anymore. Don't talk about skill if you don't have the.tools

I must add one more thing.

Im often farming lobbies with my gunners, who are the best players around the world in this game

I bet a 100 bucks that almost no one of you  flies regularly the attack heli and farms big time bc when u do so the whole god damn lobby is after you. you dont know how it feels to be chased by squads of lis, seeing 3 or more lock ons being constantly displayed, having m5s flying all the time near you, being hacked constantly, all the vehicles and enemy aircraft and up to a few days ago dealing with one shots from tors all across on top of that. in a lot of games half of the game 20 players only focussing you with everything they got. you dont know how this feels and I dont complain, it is what it is, but you complain about 2 or 3 players in the sky. just because youre lazy to develop skills.

edit: In the meantime I checked on  the stats of most players here, as I knew b4hand none of you really fly. so as I already said before, you bascially dont know what ure talking about, but u think u do. also I have more or less the same amount of hrs in the wildcat like most of you here and I felt like I never play it

I was completely right about this just being a rage post from frustrated ppl, you see the numbers, your numbers, your stats dont lie. people lie, 1+1=2 but u are the ones that will always bend it to 1+1=3, although the facts are on the table

this is pathetic

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@cyromilia wrote:

I basically fly the apache and hokum only in this game and  I have more than 1000 hrs in both together.

I must disagree for the most part on this, not totally but mostly.

first of all the attack heli comes with 2 players a pilot and a gunner, only in this combination the attack heli is really strong

the wildcat comes also with 3 slots, but its only mostly one guy inside campin with the wildcat. if 2 players play the wildcat with a flak pod on the other seat it is very powerful vs attack helis basically vs every aircraft.

secondly wildcat players are mostly not good players, they dont use their environment to cover at all. they dont use Irish APS, nor do they use smoke to cloud themelves intelligently. they are just like sitting ducks. they dont focus on the aircraft, they ignore the fact that the aircraft is up again and come completely unprepared. they dont look at the map where the heli is while they spawn it. simply speaking again the genuine wildcat players dont play clever

I have encountered good wildcat players, who were definetely a threat to attack helis, they would call it on the field instead spawning it in base. they would move and smoke and shoot so that they were hard to hit. they would not give away their position. they would surprise the aircraft. they would play the wildcat in a squad with flak pod and melt aircraft. basically they would play clever. there are more things which they would do, which Im not gonna share because,

it is definetely a skill issue

and you are just too lazy to practice good wildcat playing and also you lack the social skills to find other players to team up with you to play the wildcat effectively you just come here to let your frustration out. you see none of u in this  post here offer tactics how to do better, all u do is cry for buffs or nerfs. even if they buff the cat, players like you would still get farmed, simply bc and again you dont want to practice, you want it the easy way and when u read my reply u feel offended instead of inspired. I dont mean to be mean and if you take my reply the wrong way. like emotionally, its ur bad experiences u made in ur life that make u understand this as an attack on you, if you do so you deserve to get farmed

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I think you're a bit delusional with this whole skill thing. The Wildcat isn't a high skill ceiling vehicle. I'm not sure what you're going on about. It's not that deep or complicated. I do everything right with it, but it's not an effective tool. Simple as that. I was a huge Tank nerd for years in BF games, and I understand positioning and timing very well. That's probably my strongest ability in the BF series.

The best players aren't gunners for attack Heli's LMAO. How did you get to that conclusion? It's one task they have to be good at, and that's simply aiming. I can go ham too when I have a decent pilot. It's not hard, I don't have robot like aim, but I'm pretty damn decent. It's not that difficult. The problem isn't skill at all, it's the poor balancing and giving the tools for some average players to completely destroy a lobby.

It's ironic that you bet we don't fly, but then you admitted that you don't really play infantry. There's only a couple spots open for Heli's, so most people spend the majority of their time on the ground as infantry. You're saying that you don't have much experience on the other end, and you don't play like a normal BF player. You wait in que just to fly the a Heli.

Also, the gunners and people that usually live in the Helicopters in this game are usually slightly above to just average infantry players. I've seen maybe one exception in my personal experience.