Can Switching between Mouse/KB and gamepad cause a Gameplay Enhancement Ban?

Hi @b62fee0478ff8720,

I wouldn't imagine that'd be the cause, as both are supported inputs. If other software that isn't allowed is being used, like reWASD etc, then it's more likely, but you've mentioned that you don't use those. 

Unfortunately, all anyone can really do here is to guess as to what the cause was, since we don't have access to the full details. Moreover, all you can do is to continue appealing to EA's Terms of Service team, as only they can revoke a ban. 

Would it be possible for a bunch of people to mass report someone and have it be classified as Gameplay Enhancement? Or is this type of ban strictly by Javelin?

Would BitDefender Antivirus, Asus Armory Crate, or even running a different game beforehand that uses their own EZ Anti Cheat (I think that is what its called) cause Javelin to flag? I also have this weird KVM: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CVS7JBD1?ref_=ppx_hzsearch_conn_dt_b_fed_asin_title_6 . I am trying to figure out what caused their anti-cheat to flag so I can explain a possibility other than just constantly badgering them saying "Please review again". 

Why use a KM switcher? Both can be plugged in at the same time.

Not saying that should not be allowed; just wondering why. Makes me wonder what else is at play.

If you were physically switching your inputs between the keyboard&mouse and controller, I could see that being a problem. Unecessary, a potential problem encouraging a false positive, and maybe even suspicious as to why you were doing it and whether you know of some exploit you were taking advantage of or something.

The KVM is used for switching between my personal desktop and my work laptop. Other KVM's I got before would randomly drop their inputs from time to time which was frustrating for work and gaming, so I got a high quality one - however this KVM isn't your standard KVM and can allow linking multiple desktop/laptops together. I never set it up that way - only had one monitor. I do recall the KVM when I first set it up causing problems with playing Mechabellum -whenever I tried pan the camera in Mechabellum it would just lock up. Figured it was trying to read the mouse cursor on the edge of the screen and switch to another computer input so I rewired it so the mouse went into the USB audio port of the device instead. That fixed the camera problem and I hadn't thought about it since.

The mouse and keyboard go through the KVM. The 8bitdo Ultimate is wireless with the wireless dongle plugged directly into the desktop only. No reason to have a gamepad plug into the work laptop.

I also have two setups at two locations, since I travel between the two. The location with the funky KVM is where I got banned. It's weird that I got banned because I'm pretty sure I've clocked in a 100 hours at each location over the past few months. The only other changes I've done in the past few weeks is updating my motherboard's BIOS and started playing Ashes of Creation, which has its own Easy Anti Cheat software - was thinking maybe that caused it. I actually just took a break from playing Ashes and loaded up BF6 when I got banned after playing a couple matches.

As for software I have on my computer, in case any of these can cause problems:

+Discord - I was streaming the game for my friends to watch when I got banned.

+Nvidia App, on by default. I think I turned the overlay off since it caused problems.

+HWinfo64 was on monitoring CPU/GPU temperatures

+I have steel series mouse and keyboard. Haven't done anything fancy with their software 

+BitDefender Antivirus, it did flag bf6 an hour I think before I got banned for Mic access.

+ASUS armoury crate, and all it's weird functionality . I think this may have some controller input updates bundled in?

+Netgear Defender via Orbi Router, it's constantly scanning and doing it's thing

+I have Xpadder but it was not running and I have not loaded it in months. It's used for adding gamepad controls to games that do not have it/are too old. It would have the exact opposite effect of reWASD - simulate mouse/keyboard on gamepad and turn auto aim off while on gamepad. Does Javelin scan hard drives for inactive software/executables? I can see this causing a problem if it was on, but to be hit while it's not used would be next level weird.

I forget the name, but I have/had some VPN software for remote logging into my condo so I can access my remote game server when at the other location (it hosts dedicated Factorio, Valheim, etc.). But I think that's gone since I reinstalled Windows lately with the new hard drive.

As for Hardware. AMD system with a 5700x3d and a 5070 RTX. 

I'll keep listing more stuff as I can think of them. Just trying to be as transparent as possible to figure this out.

At first, I thought it was my KVM with its weird options that may have triggered the ban - but that has been around for a while. Then there was suspicion that maybe Easy Anti Cheat from Ashes of Creation conflicted with Javelin - which I had been playing for a few days before going back to playing BF6. I then decided to look into Asus's Armory Crate, and noticed something was updated just a few days before my ban on January 1st...

Thoughts? Can someone from EA look into what ASUS is updating here and seeing if it causes Javelin to go bonkers? I am still trying to clear my name here.  I know Javelin has been banning others for using controller emulators. 

If any device or software has macro capabilities your gonna get banned. Your 8bitdo controller has macro capabilities and you can record buttons presses and you can alter the speed of the recording. 

This is probably why you got banned. Alot of people are getting banned for using unauthorized equipment. 

Only use official devices with EA. They'll ban you quick if your caught. Doesn't matter if you were using it to cheat or not. If you can cheat with it youll get banned.

Cheater controllers that are modded uses macros for their cheats. Dont use anything that has macro capabilities.

Don't spread false information, of course ppl are allowed to run software like Razer Synapse, Logitech G-Hub etc., or else they wouldn't offer RGB light patterns for the Razer RGB mice and keyboards. Why should RGB game profiles exist for games that ban you for using it?

The problem is if you use macros nonstop it looks "suspicous" to the anti cheat software, but if you just run the mouse and keyboard software and don't try to abuse some sort of glitch by pressing many buttons in a short time or switching between input devices nonstop, it won't ban you.

I mean the mice and keyboard manufacturers would have to warn you, while installing it with some sort of big fat text, that if you install the software you can get banned in MP games, just for simply having it installed and running.

I am using Razer mice (had original Diamondback that worked fine for 8 years :D) and keyboard since 2004 and always had the software installed if there was any and never had problems with anti cheat systems in well now 21 years of PC gaming, so please don't spread something like that.

False information? There's youtube videos on how you can do rapid fire macros with your controller you mentioned. Lol. 

If you been gaming that long and haven't figured out that in TOS it does tell you to disable that software. Obviously you dont read ToS and you were banned for using cheating devices and software.

I been gaming for twice as long as you. I even know this. Obviously you dont retain information very good. Im not banned and you are.

I was banned from Guild Wars 2 just for using a G15 keyboard from Logitech. I used macros with WoW. Once I played GW2 they banned me. I was even told by the devs they knew exactly which port the keyboard was plugged into. What saved me and my banned was lifted after they realized I didnt install the software. 

Good luck with your unbanned. It won't happen. 

I just looked up your controller on YouTube and the capabilities it has. Im glad you got banned for using it.

That controller has macro capabilities. It has capabilities for rapid fire. It has a turbo button for fast button presses.

You can hold a button on that controller push the star button and it activates rapid button pushes for the button you held down. Lmao Right there is why you were banned bro. I dont understand how you would not know that after all your years of gaming.

My xbox controller cant do any of that so tell me. How is that not gameplay enhancement?

I didn't even know the 8bitdo controllers can do that. I was using it only when piloting the jet because the default controls with mouse keyboard for jets was terrible. I liked the 8bitdo Ultimate controllers because they have their own charging docks and when you lift it up it immediately syncs with the PC. I previously had to use wired PS5 and switch controllers beforehand and those wouldn't work sometimes with windows by default without work arounds.

So a hidden feature of my controller is what may be the culprit. It's possible I may have pressed the star icon when trying to turn the controller on (it goes to sleep if not used every minute). I'll look into the stars functionality and see if it's enabled or not on mine. Though I don't recall being able to use the Jet for long in the game I got banned during (I got spawn camped by the enemy fighter, thus me switching back to mouse keyboard as per the original title of this thread).