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Th3Toppi3's avatar
Th3Toppi3
Seasoned Rookie
29 days ago

Research into aim assist!

Ok so over the last little while I’ve been doing some unscientific research into controller aim assist. Here’s my unscientific approach….

-          Load into a game and play – when deleted check the setup.

-          If beaten in a good fight – check the setup.

-          Disable cross play (I’m on PC so it is a line of code) – when I am deleted check setup.

-          When beaten in a good fight – check setup.

Here’s what I’ve found:

-          Playing in open game with consols is untannable – the aim assist is so overwhelming that keyboard and mouse is not competitive. Jumping, sliding and shooting accurately is a controller thing and can’t be maintained on keyboard and mouse. The accuracy and ability to hold that aim is unrealistic.

-          When cross play is off, I get a MUCH better game and the only times I get deleted is when it’s a PC playing with a controller!

Yes, I have checked this and yes, I am confident in my findings.

P.S. Please don’t just reply “get better” or “this is a skill issue” I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation here and have put a lot of time into this and don’t need unintelligent replies like that!

25 Replies

  • JudasSheeple's avatar
    JudasSheeple
    Rising Scout
    27 days ago

    I will try to come to middle ground here...
    In actuality, the easiest thing would be to stop making games with AA built in or have it only available for single player/learning the game (for example your first 50 ranks in BF6). I am pretty sure, anyone has a good grasp on the controls by that point even if you play casually, you still have X ranks until you no longer get the benefits. Hell, they can give you full on aimbot or wallhacks if they want but be ready for complaints. After those 50 ranks, the player's "assistance" does not exist. If they want it so bad, they can try a new account, I don't know... but as discussed here, companies won't do anything about it, so PC players will either buy a controller, quit altogether or cheat to compete.
     I honestly think there is merit to the hypothesis there are way more cheaters in online gaming because they think 1) You can make money from it and 2) the only way to get ahead of the imbalance is by cheating.
    Notice cheaters getting away with it right now are not putting up 120+ kills a game? They are trying to slip under the radar and do well enough to look good but not so good they draw attention to themselves. That is the worst kind of cheater. I would prefer someone rage hacking and just head shot everyone on the map. Easier to ban though...
    EA/DICE creating a robust Anti-cheat is a great step in where gaming should go. I have spent many hours using AI to come up with solutions in the online gaming space for cheating. Companies can take measures but choose not to, they do not believe the effort to secure their game is worth the time and money investment long term. I guess they would all rather sell their copies and have the game die out and just release a "new version" of the same crap and go through the same exact process on repeat. I guess as long as we are dumb enough to keep buying it and taking the BS they're feeding us to get us excited about regurgitated slop, they have no reason to change or adopt a stronger stance against it.
    They created their anti-cheat because that was a major complaint against their top competitor. Only time will tell if they are serious enough about it to continue development and innovation on it to work as good as we all hope.

  • Ty_Ger07's avatar
    Ty_Ger07
    New Ace
    27 days ago

    I used to play on PC. I have had a bunch of PCs. Custom water cooling, PETG hard tubing, SLI, all the stuff. I went deep. I even had the NVIDIA 3d vision kit and monitor when that was a thing.

    Why console? PC doesn't fit into my life any more. I am done delving into PC. I experienced all I wanted to experience. I don't want to invest the time, money, and maintenance into that hobby any more.  I have slimmed down my lifestyle in many ways. Ditching the PC was just one of the changes I have made.

    Console is good enough. It's all I need when the itch occurs.

    Another benefit is much less instability, driver issues, or crashing. And no more oponents on the same platform using software cheats.

    It's a better life.

    Why not controller? I'm too old to relearn.

  • OGkenzif's avatar
    OGkenzif
    Rising Scout
    26 days ago

    JudasSheeple​ Thank you for clarifying that, sarcasm is hard to read without body language. I apologize for the remark. 

    1. Lol I will keep “telling myself that” because it’s the only hope left in this unemployment economy.
    2. Yea I get that but most can compete against the cronus/modded controllers, it’s situational advantage, modding has been around since the original halo. Wall hacks or an aimbot is a different story, it’s nearly impossible for people to maintain game breaking cheats on modern consoles (xbox specifically, ps3 had usb wall hack problems) which is why xbox has always been my preferred platform. 
    3. “the times” is hard to actually gauge because AA-AAA are fictitious terms in gaming, unlike competitive sports leagues. On that note generally in gaming nowadays it’s indie, AA, AAA, and is usually regarding its budget. Though in the past, before the internet was in everyone’s house…, AA-AAA were terms usually regarding the quality and popularity. For example, back in the day halo was considered AAA compared to max payne or metal gear solid and even far cry being AA just out of popularity alone. Where as now they are all referred to as AAA games

    Like I said I’m just trying to objectively state the history, how we got here and hence why consoles will always have aim assist, anywho

    I agree with what you’re getting at though. Crossplay between platforms has been nothing but trouble, considering there’s nearly twice the amount of people on the earth compared to when gaming was golden there is no need for crossplay…., or customer satisfaction for that matter. I agree, I think we are all part of the problem, I’m going back to BF4 USMC servers on xbox if anyone wants to join, still a thriving community there. A time before micro transactions and battlepasses, “they don’t make em like they used to”. 

    lol I’m starting to sound like my grandfather. 

  • JudasSheeple's avatar
    JudasSheeple
    Rising Scout
    25 days ago

    You make some very valid points. I too have been building systems since 2000. My first machine was hand me down parts from guys I worked with. I had a Pentium 2 with 32MB ram and a VooDoo2 paired with a Matrox for a TOTAL of 16MB ram so I could play Half-life. I quickly upgraded but that gives you an idea how long ago it was and what I was working with. I still build systems but as I get older, I can't lie, the simplicity of a console is tempting. Not to mention they are not far behind PCs in capability. I was really considering the Steambox (or whatever it is called). I always wanted a "gaming OS" and I don't want to give up my library that goes back to the start of Steam. I have been lucky to have the ability to touch a system and it work. I have rarely had instability issues or crashes (except when I tried Windows ME constant crashes so I went to win2k). Things go wrong, but I still accept that as part of being a PC guy. I'm on my second custom loop system. Its the cost that is most painful. I own my home and have had to make some really expensive repairs (I had to have my pool fully resurfaced and tiled for $30K)! Spending another $6k on building a system is getting difficult in this economy. I also need the PC since I work from home. Oh, well... I will limp by with what I have till something dies and then replace it. Usually when the mobo starts dying I build a new system.
    I don't like controllers, but I also don't like cheaters. I have to really start weighing which I hate more... Obviously, cheaters. I don't know, in recent years (since the coof) I have considered quitting online gaming altogether. Just play single players games. Things like Fallout, Elder Scrolls, etc I find just as enjoyable as multiplayer but without the headaches.

    I appreciate the measured responses guys. Wish you nothing but the best!


  • OGkenzif's avatar
    OGkenzif
    Rising Scout
    25 days ago

    Back atcha, appreciate the cognitive debate.

    The world could use more caring conversation and less hate.

    Respect. 

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