Todays Portal Update - lies - betrayed- theft

you take it way too personal 😂 never thought that a vet from the battlefield franchise would support bot farming. 

Totally agree mate. Bot lobbies are fun for people with employment. I'd love to play all day, but I literally don't have enough time. Even if they they gave us 50% xp or put timers on matches to prevent farming, I'd be happy with that.

Of course I take it personal. I've spent my personal money as I belived I'm buying the game with pve option that has been taken away. Simple 

Somehow I can't imagine myself getting "old" and thinking "I don't have the skills to play PvP" in online games. There's people well in their elderly years that have learned to play Battlefield. I think it's just a mentality thing. You probably won't be as snappy as when you were 16, but it's certainly not impossible to adapt the way you play. As I get older, I rely less on my reaction speed and ability to make fast actions, but I do try and improve my positioning, aim and decision making.

Even back in Battlefield 1942, there wasn't really a proper PvE experience. Yes you'd have bots, but they were dumb as bricks. The game wasn't designed as a proper PvE experience. The fact that they can screw up the Battlefield single player campaign and nobody really cares, means that people regard this game as a multiplayer-first experience.

Nothing has substantially changed over the years, bots have always been and still are an afterthought in Battlefield 6. So, it always surprises me when people buy this game just to play against bots. I personally don't care whether you play against bots or whether you gain progression from doing so.

However, I don't think that it makes much sense for Portal server browser to be filled to the brim with XP farm servers. Nor do I think a progression system makes much sense when you can just exploit bots to complete it several times faster than if you were playing against real players. It also doesn't make much sense to have a statistics page that counts bot kills the same as player kills.

For these reasons, it doesn't make much sense to me for bots to give the same XP as players do. I don't think people are entitled to full progression at all. I think a limited progression system is fine. You should still be able to unlock everything over time, but it shouldn't be any faster than if you were playing against real players. Alternatively, a co-op experience that's separate from the main multiplayer environment, with all attachments unlocked is fine as well.

As far as what they've advertised goes, I agree they should be more careful with what they end up promising to the player. That said, EA's the kind of company that's defined by what they do, not by what they say.

There a not able to see a difference.
I am totally finde to get the same attachments for killing 10 bots equivlant of one player. But my hot take is, that they are not able to make this adjustments. 
They are in full nuke mod now

Ghostflux. Everyone is different. I'm well over 40yo. For many reasons I've never played any games before. I've got my first console for two years now. My skill seriously doesn't exist. My aim, my targeting are very very low. But ok, I keep trying to play pvp belive me. But it is not even nearly to be fun for me as at most of the games I'm not often able to reach the flag to gain any points for my team. I just lame. And I would never buy this game if not a pve promises that has been taken away well to late for refund. That's why I feel scammed.

And yes I do agree. It would be not fair to gain same xp as you. So I'm happy to get 50% or 30% or even 10% as long as I can play and make some progress. For now any challenge seems impossible to me right now. Unlock new weapon? It's only 200 kills easy, isn't it? Yay with My average of 3 kills per 20 minutes match it will take me only 10 mins right?

I don't care any rankings. I'm happy with remove pve games from any ranks, remove KD, remove anything. I just want to play solo, or with few friends in our closed environment. But from now I can't. That's all. So yes, I've been legally scammed.

I don't say it's about ego in general, i was responding to the person based on their comment. "I'm pretty new to battlefield and to shooters" Every game get's time to learn, it's not only about being good at aiming and more about strategy and the way you play, go slow, check every corner with your weapon ADSed, move on maps while choosing paths with cover, not right in the open. This is the reason why most people die instantly, they run around like headless chickens and get beamed by a person that checks his surroundings. Once you'll know the map and know what to do you'll be able to move faster.

Just the same as people complaining about campers, is the issue them choosing a strategic point or people rushing in without checking, i think the latter. E-sports is considered a sport for a reason, it takes patience and time to learn. If someone's really passionate they will put all the time needed into it and eventually become good. Aiming is muscle memory, this takes time and there's no way around, if you're on pc watch video's on how to set your Nvidia or AMD settings optimized for gaming, here's a big one on pc, go to mouse settings and disable 'improve the precision of the pointer' this will improve your aim in a very noticeable way, tweak sensitivity till it has the perfect feel, put your mouse DPI no higher than 800.. Anyways, you get the point, gaming isn't just about jumping into a map and shooting your weapon around.

Many don't seem to understand this because many are influenced by streamers where their whole brand is based around "i got 100 kills" like a bunch of toddlers. People get obsessed about their rank on the scoreboard, they start to think they suck and move over to bot lobbies, maybe instead play the game and do not care about the amount of kills you get. Impatience, lack of understanding and brainwashing by streamers is the core of all these complaints and what makes people give up before they've even tried. You can not get good in three months, it takes years, it's a passion. So either people come play bots and don't complain, or they put in the work, it's that simple.

Play the game, have fun and don't give a F about score, you'll see you'll stop wanting to play bots because the feeling you win a gunfight against a real person compared to a bot is a hundred times more satisfying. 

It's a good thing  you're willing to try something new. I don't think you're all that different though. No matter the age that we start a hobby, we all start out as a complete beginner. 

When your hobby involves competitive elements, then it's inevitable that you're going to be up against people that have much more experience than you do. While you're at a disadvantage when it comes to experience, the advantage is that you'll have the ability to enjoy learning so many new things. 

It's really all about the mindset. If you dedicate yourself to becoming better at the game, you'll see yourself improving at an exponentially faster rate than if you limit yourself in any way. At first, it's going to be very difficult and it certainly can be frustrating, but at some point you'll start noticing how much you're improving and that's when it becomes way more fun.

There's nothing wrong with playing with bots, but at some point those bots won't allow you to challenge yourself any further and that's when you should consider playing against real players.

They will bring back progression for bots, don't worry and from what i've read they will remove all bot farms and implement a kickable or ban offense for let's say you kill 30 or 50 bots a minute. So everyone chill a bit for now, it takes time, they can't just re enable progression before they've dealt with the implementation of fail safes.

You guys playing only on bot servers may not care but us multiplayers don't want anyone running around fully maxed out, and the bot farms where only intended for that purpose. Getting weapons in an unfair way having way more powerful weapons and attachements. You might not have the intend to progress and go play multiplayers, but they sure do. So have a little patience.

Ghostflux. I've never said I don't want to play multi. Just in my level it's tryharding all the time. So I need also pve option that I can chill and enjoy the game. So far I was playing cod where sbmm was. So I cooked at least enjoy 1 or two games of 10. Nowe, in bf I can't at all. If I could play few pve games with some small progress and then join multi for try what I learnt that could be awesome. But no they removed that option. So as I said game is unplayable for me now. 3 kills, 40 deaths and 1 capture is not what I could call "fun"