Re: Possible Cheaters in PGA Tour? High scores or leaving game

I played against many of the tournament winning players back in the TW days, regularly.... even won the odd one myself here and there, and its true that there are people out there that are just next level. And there are people out there who will always accuse them of cheating. 

Its also true that the anonymity in online gaming,  and the fact even pro e-sport gamers get caught cheating, shows its a huge problem.    Many players in the old TW games were what we called "edgers".  Some used special mouse drivers to lock the axis,  others  actually used hard edges like sides of keyboards and rulers and didn't even consider that cheating since they weren't using a software program.  

Back in the old days of fps games we also had dedicated servers and admins to keep their servers to a certain "skill level".   But then DDOS attacks become so powerful that we couldn't' have nice things anymore.  We could no longer ban players from our server who were "too good".   Because they now had the ability to lag out the server or completely take it offline out of spite.    Now we got servers hosted by the game company themselves with matchups based on mmr's which is literally all a facade.   Because players make multiple accounts and even sync drop with others to undermine it all.    .    Popular e-sport games like Counterstrike and League of Legends,  who coined the derogatory terms  "smurfing" and "team stacking"  to shame cheaters also have lost their popularity due to the cheating.     For guys like me pc gaming literally died over 15 years ago and only exists in asia now.  NA gaming has been destroyed long ago.  All the cheating in pga tour games started back in 2005,  right when they added the mouse control.   It sent everything down hill and birthed many many cheaters that still are playing till this day.   

What I do like about this new pga tour game,  and unlike other games like 2k sports golf,  is that the controller use at pro level is really not that bad once you get to a certain level.   Its really hard not to hit a straight line with the analog stick,   and even then alot of the game is determined by your pre calculations.   So it really lessens the impact of alot of people cheating with software on their swings at least.   I bought this game knowing there would be cheaters just dominating the leaderboards making a mockery of the game.   And lets face it, no normal human would consider that fun or productive to literally have no competition.   SO that in itself is suspicious.  If that was me I'd be complaining the game was too easy, but I digress.  I bought the game because I was happy that EA Sports is at least making another pc golf game,  even though its missing tons of features from the past and pc gaming is a dead as rocks in NA, I'm investing in future development with my fingers crossed.

One good thing about the new angled swing-plane requirement for draw/fade (when enabled) is that any software or physical cheat based on ensuring a straight up/down swing every time would be limiting.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

One good thing about the new angled swing-plane requirement for draw/fade (when enabled) is that any software or physical cheat based on ensuring a straight up/down swing every time would be limiting.

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Yeah draw / fades are tough to hit.   I have trouble even getting it started on the right plane.   I just basically avoid them.   I'm curious how they are going to implement this with 3 click.   My guess is a normal swing on 3 click will be harder to hit straight, but the draws and fades will be easier

I used to use a Hori pad back in the day, they were basically so poor quality that your swing always registered as straight. 

These days it's an xbox elite pad and I can hit 99% power, straight shots most of the time, I dont find keeping the swing straight difficult. 

As far as draw and fade goes, you can still use the straight stick technique as long as you move your marker enough to allow for it. 

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@jitter77 wrote:

Yeah draw / fades are tough to hit.   I have trouble even getting it started on the right plane.   I just basically avoid them.   I'm curious how they are going to implement this with 3 click.   My guess is a normal swing on 3 click will be harder to hit straight, but the draws and fades will be easier

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I'm far from a top player but right now I'm just not using draw/fade at all while I get to grips with the rest of the game. When I've tried a few with the angled swing plane the chances of me stuffing it up far outweighed the potential upside.

I've been wondering about 3-ckick too. I have zero insight but I'm vaguely wondering if we'll find that it's impossible to do any equivalent of the angled swing-plane such that draw/fade won't be possible in tour and sim difficulties. I'm only saying this as (naively) I can't see an obvious way to equitably implement this otherwise.

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@theycagednon wrote:

I used to use a Hori pad back in the day, they were basically so poor quality that your swing always registered as straight. 

These days it's an xbox elite pad and I can hit 99% power, straight shots most of the time, I dont find keeping the swing straight difficult. 

As far as draw and fade goes, you can still use the straight stick technique as long as you move your marker enough to allow for it. 

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this ^

nobody is "that" good... every tourny, everyday, not a chance

Really good play here

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I'm pretty sure there are some cheaters on Xbox as well.   Even on arcade mode with the amount of randomness some of the scores are near impossible to shoot.  The last dunes tournament had a few driveable par 4s, but there was a lot of tailwind and you had a pretty small landing area.  With the randomness of the drive direction and the tailwind just getting one ball to stop on the green is a great shot.  To replicate that a few times plus get another hole out all in the same round seems pretty unattainable.   If it was all skill based then i could see it, but even with almost max drive accuracy, legend driver spec, legend ball spec my driver landing area is pretty large.   Missing by a yard or 2 could be the difference between hitting the green or not.   Hitting like 3-4 miracle shots in one round seems a bit much.  Even if you know the game perfectly you just can not fully account for the randomness of some shots

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@jitter77 wrote:

I'm pretty sure there are some cheaters on Xbox as well.   Even on arcade mode with the amount of randomness some of the scores are near impossible to shoot.  The last dunes tournament had a few driveable par 4s, but there was a lot of tailwind and you had a pretty small landing area.  With the randomness of the drive direction and the tailwind just getting one ball to stop on the green is a great shot.  To replicate that a few times plus get another hole out all in the same round seems pretty unattainable.   If it was all skill based then i could see it, but even with almost max drive accuracy, legend driver spec, legend ball spec my driver landing area is pretty large.   Missing by a yard or 2 could be the difference between hitting the green or not.   Hitting like 3-4 miracle shots in one round seems a bit much.  Even if you know the game perfectly you just can not fully account for the randomness of some shots

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What sort of scores were they? I know the arcade mode is free to enter and unlimited tries. If the wind stays the same each time you play it there will be people who literally play it over and over searching for that perfect score, whilst writing down where best to land for each hole, club selection etc. 

I hit 17 under par on that New Zealand course last night playing career on tour mode, and from past experience im still thinking its 3/4 shots short of winning an 18 hole tourney. I finally have some free coins now so going to enter the tour mode tourney tonight and see how i do. Ive not even monitored the type of score that is winning it so will take a look tonight. As long the wind stays below about 12mph im pretty confident of getting an under par chance on every hole. 

The unlimited trys on arcade helps people tho u can keep trying till your happy with score...I re tried the one what's on there at moment kept getting -2 lol then on my 4th attempt igot -4..just was playing bad even on arcade...but iunderstand what some people are saying 

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@jitter77 wrote:
@theycagednonI want to say the leader was -14 for 9. I had about as good of a round you could have and was still off by 2 shots. I know you can get approaches pretty dialed in, but driving the par 4s with a small landing area and very lumpy FWs is not consistently possible with the randomness. Even with max power and maybe hitting a 3w you still would have a decent sized dispersion circle where you have no room for error. I have shot many perfect rounds in Links or Shot Online, but if you aimed right and executed your shot you knew where the ball was going. This game you can execute perfectly and still miss your target by several yards especially with a driver or wood. Theoretically you could play the first hole till you holed out but you would still have to play above flawless the rest of the way

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You'll probably find that a lot of players are taking hybrids and long irons off the tee for many holes where they can still use an 8/9/PW to make their approach, this drastically reduces the probability of missing the fairway. The other factor is that rough and sand just aren't that difficult to get out of, in fact as long as there are no trees in the way ill just play a normal shot out of them 95% of the time as it behaves the same way. 

14 under on arcade for 9 holes doesn't seem that hard to achieve for the top players id say, bear in mind with spin applied after the shot, coupled with the maths they use to work out where to hit, holing out 3/4 times in 9 holes is doable. its personally why i dont play it and stick to tour mode. 

I think 20 under for 18 holes on Tour will be a good score for top 10/20 on the standings, and this is about the level you had to be on previous EA golf games to be up there. 

i love seeing scores of  -12  and -11 on 4holes lol what a joke!

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@CkYMaximus wrote:

i love seeing scores of  -12  and -11 on 4holes lol what a joke!

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Again though, is that on PC? where somebody above mentioned a hack that allows for score reset. Or is this on console? ive only seen 5 or 6 under on the 4 hole challenges on console so far. 

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@CkYMaximus wrote:

i love seeing scores of  -12  and -11 on 4holes lol what a joke!

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Haha, no joke? There is obviously cheats on PC...hacks are made for almost every game. If you know code, it wouldn't be hard.

I haven't seen those scores on 4-hole...that would be ridiculously suspicious. I have seen 8-under on 4 hole, with 2 par-4s (not driveable), a par-5, and a par-3. There are various ways to get that score but even still that seems wild to me. To eagle 2 par-4s, get an albatross or hole in one, then the make up for the 8 under...I mean, wow.

However, I did a 6 under, ALMOST 7 under, but I screwed up the last hole. I believe that was arcade on Xbox with 2 par-5s, a par-4, and a par-3. I hit an albatross on a par-5 (pure luck).  7 under was definitely doable.

Yeah I've a -6 with a hole in one lol -7 is possible on some courses if some luck is involved iwould say..I'm on xbox btw 

I can definitely see -20s on tour i had a -17 with mistakes.   I look at it on a course by course or tournament basis.  I think the tournament i was referring to was the arcade brandon dunes weekly.  I think there are 2 par 5s so your looking at -11.  Like I said a couple par4s are reachable, but eagling them both is highly unlikely.   I have 7 power, and my golfer is rated 94.  I had to crush a power drive and there was like a 12 mph tailwind.   My dispersion circle was much wider than the necessary landing zone.   Assuming the ball landed on the fw you had to get great bounces coupled with spin to get on / hold the green.   With 2 eagles there you would still need a hole out somewhere.   I have done a huge amount of challenges and even holing out simple chips can be tricky when hitting the same shot over and over.   The one challenge you had to hole out 2 shots and you had 5 shots at each one.   I was able to complete it, but your looking holing out 2/10 shots with repetitive chances.  In a tournament you only get one crack at each shot.  The only shot that seems consistent is putting and i have just enough stats for the texas wedge.   You can know all the maths, hit a perfect shot and the ball won't go the same place twice.   Even with added spin there is no guarantee it will go in.  I just don't see people being able to pull off 3 miracle shots per round with the way the game is designed currently.   I play both tour and arcade arcade is fun just to whack it around.  If i have a bad tour round i don't restart it is not worth wasting the VC.  Hopefully they introduce H2H turn based play and people prove me wrong

Yes this is on PC. And you know some person is not playing a 4 hole course over and over to shoot -12  to get 1500 coins! Pretty sure these people just load hack play once and done.

If they would add ghost replays we could weed out the hackers.

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@seanathan43229 wrote:
@theycagednonI've seen -7 on 4 holers on Xbox. Have never seen scores beyond that, def not -12

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Same on PS5. Across basically all games cheating seems to be principally a very depressing aspect of PC gaming which sadly doesn't look like going away any time soon. Why anyone finds it fun or thinks they're impressing anyone is beyond me.

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@Ultrasonic_77 wrote:

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@seanathan43229 wrote:
@theycagednonI've seen -7 on 4 holers on Xbox. Have never seen scores beyond that, def not -12

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Same on PS5. Across basically all games cheating seems to be principally a very depressing aspect of PC gaming which sadly doesn't look like going away any time soon. Why anyone finds it fun or thinks they're impressing anyone is beyond me.

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Yep, I’ll stick to my console and MacBook 😉…. As you say it’s all pretty pathetic isn’t it, unimpressive. 

cheaters never win

winners never cheat

i play on pc and would NEVER use a cheat in an online game, just not worth the chance of getting caught

just about any game i play, i can keep up with the "best" of them (if i put the effort into it) but sometimes its just not worth the time and effort because someone will use some kind of cheat to beat your score or whatever it is you have done well.

so.. you wanna cheat?  go play a single player game where no one cares what youre doing, dont bring your stink into the multiplayer realm!