So there are a lot of suggestions to reduce the Chomper's digestion time despite there being upgrades, but there is another issue we may be overlooking. When you get behind a zombie and your Chomper nabs them with its tongue, that is when the time really starts. There is about a two second delay from the time you nab the zombie and it lands in your mouth so you get the vanquish. If the devs could reduce the time it actually took for a Chomper to put something in mouth, this would solve a major problem. You goop a zombie, get behind them and try to gobble them up only to get zpg'd or smashed by a scientist before it lands in your mouth. This is the Chomper's real weakness IMO. All these actions occur before you begin digesting and it is within that time that the Chomper is most vulnerable. Chomper's tongue has to latch onto zombie. Zombie flips into Chomper's mouth. Chomper slurps. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OBilUbGUkM This video has several examples players can use to judge for themselves. I would like for the devs to look in reducing the time it takes for a Chomper to perform those actions so it can begin digesting quicker. Maybe by half or even 1/3. I'm on the fence about it being instant and I don't know about reduced damage while digesting, but I definitely don't want zombies having two full seconds to take me out before I begin.

@InC0g wrote:Zpg:Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.Shuck shot:Same as zpg.Chili bomb:Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.Imp punt:Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Oh and it doesn't even take up an ability slot. Another plus. You are comparing abilities to a primary attack and the Chomper is more reliant on his primary attack than a solider using any of its abilities. Chomping comes with more risk as well than launching a zpg from across the map or throw a chili bomb into a base and running away. Those instances you mention are design, not downsides. Gooping a target and rotating against them so you can chomp them from behind isn't the same as an all-star tackling a vampire sunflower, provided he does not imp punt them into oblivion. The all-star has two low risk abilities to KO most plants along with his hefty HP. The Chomper can still be vanquished while trying to get behind the target and even if it does, it can still be taken out before the zombie lands in its mouth. Sure the target is unrevivable, but does that really justify all the instances and risk the chomper has to go through for its primary means of attack?

Chompers real weakness is his tender heart.No jk, but for real in GW2 that's the least of his problems. Most often my kills are burrow kills, there is zero delay for that and I digest immediately. The problems is Chompers just has a bad kit for GW2. He is terribly outclassed by scientist and SB right now. Other classes like engineer and pirate are better at what he does as well. The only thing he really bring to the table is unrevivable kills and the impact of that is negligible with the fast respawn times and zombies being OP in general.

@the_jeremy823 wrote: Chompers real weakness is his tender heart. No jk, but for real in GW2 that's the least of his problems. Most often my kills are burrow kills, there is zero delay for that and I digest immediately. The problems is Chompers just has a bad kit for GW2. He is terribly outclassed by scientist and SB right now. Other classes like engineer and pirate are better at what he does as well. The only thing he really bring to the table is unrevivable kills and the impact of that is negligible with the fast respawn times and zombies being OP in general. The burrow vanquish isn't instant, but faster than Chomping them from behind. However, there is definitely delay or players would not be complaining about IMPs and Brainz hitting and sometimes vanquishing them from a burrow with their AOE attacks. You can still be ZPG'd by a solider if you attempt to burrow them as well. One time I burrowed a Brainz during his twister and he actually vanquished a nearby Corn before I could finish gobbling him up. Burrow doesn't stop the IMP or Brainz from spinning, so the Chomper and any plant near it will take damage until they are fully swallowed.

@Finaldeath1689 wrote: It should stay, there has to be a downside to an ability than can 1 shot absolutely everybody regardless of how much health they have. Where is the ZPG downside? The peashooter bean downside? The corn bazooka downside? The all-star crossed imp downside? All these attacks as the potential to one-shot almost anything, and from a safe distance too.

@InC0g wrote: @AlexP1980Zpg:Most effective at range on a stationary target. Much harder to hit at close, and, or a moving target. Victim can be revived.Shuck shot:Same as zpg.Chili bomb:Easy to avoid. Messed up physics at the moment. Can be revived.Imp punt:Short range, often misses at very close range ( bugged ? ). Can be revived.So whilst they can one-shot many targets, they all have downsides. The biggest and often overlooked is they can all be revived. That is a huge advantage to a chomper. Abilities are not all about raw damage. Why, do you think that chomp isn't avoidable?You have to get close and from behind, or to use a skill (burrow) which is avoidable as everything else. Yes, we all know that chomped zombies can't be revived, but it is game changing? How many times you get revived anyway? 1 every 20 death?There is only one thing which is unavoidable (at least for many classes), the Super Brainz Tornado, (super jump, high base speed, gap closer), everything else isI'm a fan of chomper, I know it well but the game design is different from gw1 and it really needs a change because when you attack is not a suitable choice

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18 Replies

Boolerex
10 years ago
Hum...To be fair it hard to judge how much of a impact the start up of a shallow kill have right now as it happen fairly often that the hitbox for chomper is bugged during that time. Which generally make zombie without AOE actually WAIT for you to confirm the kill before shooting.

So my opinion at that would be to fix that glitch at the first place,when see if he do really need that change.
Anonymous
10 years ago
Chompers real weakness is his tender heart.
No jk, but for real in GW2 that's the least of his problems. Most often my kills are burrow kills, there is zero delay for that and I digest immediately. The problems is Chompers just has a bad kit for GW2. He is terribly outclassed by scientist and SB right now. Other classes like engineer and pirate are better at what he does as well. The only thing he really bring to the table is unrevivable kills and the impact of that is negligible with the fast respawn times and zombies being OP in general.
IronCatFish47
10 years ago
@the_jeremy823 wrote:

Chompers real weakness is his tender heart.

No jk, but for real in GW2 that's the least of his problems. Most often my kills are burrow kills, there is zero delay for that and I digest immediately. The problems is Chompers just has a bad kit for GW2. He is terribly outclassed by scientist and SB right now. Other classes like engineer and pirate are better at what he does as well. The only thing he really bring to the table is unrevivable kills and the impact of that is negligible with the fast respawn times and zombies being OP in general.

The burrow vanquish isn't instant, but faster than Chomping them from behind. However, there is definitely delay or players would not be complaining about IMPs and Brainz hitting and sometimes vanquishing them from a burrow with their AOE attacks. You can still be ZPG'd by a solider if you attempt to burrow them as well.

One time I burrowed a Brainz during his twister and he actually vanquished a nearby Corn before I could finish gobbling him up. Burrow doesn't stop the IMP or Brainz from spinning, so the Chomper and any plant near it will take damage until they are fully swallowed.
Finaldeath1689
10 years ago
It should stay, there has to be a downside to an ability than can 1 shot absolutely everybody regardless of how much health they have. All these threads about buffing chomper when he is perfectly fine, heck he is extremely powerful in the hands of a competent player. The thing about the chomper is that he is a simple class to play but trickier to play well but if you learn to play him well he is a beast. They should make more classes like him imo that are easy to be ok with but has the potential to be very good in the hands of a good player just like the chomper currently is.
If anything he could do with a nerf to the cooldown of goop and possibly adjust digestion time based on the amount of health the enemy had when swallowed so a full hp all star would take longer than it currently does to digest while a full hp imp would digest quicker than it does currently. If you swallow an all star with the same amount of hp as a full hp imp it would take the same digestion time and an imp or any other class with say 1 hp would digest pretty much instantly. Could base the time it takes to digest on the time it takes to kill them via normal attacks so if you can kill them with a single attack the digestion would be pretty much instant but if it would take 5 attacks to kill the digestion time could take the same amount of time it would take to land those 5 attacks.
IronCatFish47
10 years ago
@Finaldeath1689 wrote:

It should stay, there has to be a downside to an ability than can 1 shot absolutely everybody regardless of how much health they have. All these threads about buffing chomper when he is perfectly fine, heck he is extremely powerful in the hands of a competent player. The thing about the chomper is that he is a simple class to play but trickier to play well but if you learn to play him well he is a beast. They should make more classes like him imo that are easy to be ok with but has the potential to be very good in the hands of a good player just like the chomper currently is.

If anything he could do with a nerf to the cooldown of goop and possibly adjust digestion time based on the amount of health the enemy had when swallowed so a full hp all star would take longer than it currently does to digest while a full hp imp would digest quicker than it does currently. If you swallow an all star with the same amount of hp as a full hp imp it would take the same digestion time and an imp or any other class with say 1 hp would digest pretty much instantly. Could base the time it takes to digest on the time it takes to kill them via normal attacks so if you can kill them with a single attack the digestion would be pretty much instant but if it would take 5 attacks to kill the digestion time could take the same amount of time it would take to land those 5 attacks.

He already has a downside in that he is completely vulnerable while digesting. Reducing the time it takes for the zombie to wind up in its mouth doesn't break the game or make him less vulnerable. My suggestion removes the need to adjust the digestion time any further or base it on HP left which is actually not a bad idea but there is a better way to go about it.

Instead of asking the devs to implement various digestion times based on HP for an ability that doesn't even do damage, just give the Chomper an auto vanquish Chomp. If I Chomp something from behind with 1 HP, can I just get the regular bite instead? If a player had that option in general, they would rather do that by instinct anyways. This ties in with the age old suggestion of giving the Chomper a different button to alternate between chomping (when applicable) and biting.
IronCatFish47
10 years ago
Brainz and Deadbeard can switch their primary attack using the aim/zoom button. Why not do the same for the Chomper? This way players can choose between biting and chomping something from behind. Spray Chomper's in GW1 had the ability to zoom for some reason, but it was good because you could aim your goop better if you were elevated.

I know Armor Chompers would get a real kick out of being able to bite KO a zombie from behind and players have always asked for the ability to switch between biting and chomping (when applicable). Sometimes you want to bite KO them anyways, but you might accidentally eat them instead. I for one would much prefer biting an IMP two times, than accidentally eating him because he did a 180 with his quick movement speed.
xar015
10 years ago
I feel the same way about the time it takes to actually put the zombie in your mouth. it takes too long.
although I still think it needs this idea of mine.
The Chomper has two problems
Digesting a zombie before he dies.
Facing and the confronting multiple zombies.
To fix the Chomper’s digestion rate problem it needs a new way eat zombies.
This is how I think it should be solved.
This is only given to chompers without spray types or belching weapons. I’m calling it the buffet bar. This digestion themed bar will show how many zombies can be swallowed by a Chomper before digestion, with a limit of 2 zombies. If the Chomper swallows 2 zombies the Chomper needs to sit and digest for the time of 7 seconds. If a Chomper swallows only one zombie the bar will go up to half way, and the Chomper will not be restricted in the use of abilities or his primary weapon. Also if no zombies are eaten during 3 seconds after swallowing a zombie, the bar will steadily drop until zero. If an impatient Chomper eats a zombie while the bar is 4th the way up or more the bar will max out and force them to digest. This buff will help out with the problem of zombies paring up in groups too.
(When zombies group together.)
This is for all the chompers. We give him a second burrow. Now before you think that it is OP let me describe it. When underneath a zombie (through the burrow ability) you click the burrow button again in which you pop up half way pulling the zombie down into the ground. The zombie will be swallowed and digested at the end of the second burrow. Through this means that you can’t eat another zombie through the use of the second burrow because you have a zombie still in the Chomper’s mouth.
Anonymous
10 years ago
@Finaldeath1689 wrote:

It should stay, there has to be a downside to an ability than can 1 shot absolutely everybody regardless of how much health they have.

Where is the ZPG downside? The peashooter bean downside? The corn bazooka downside? The all-star crossed imp downside? All these attacks as the potential to one-shot almost anything, and from a safe distance too.
Anonymous
10 years ago
Chompers in GW2 have been downgraded from GW1. They have completely screwed up the burrow with the camera glitch now. In my opinion the burrow is one of the most unique and spectacular moves I have seen in a long time and should be protected. They need to do the following things:
1) fix camera glitch on burrow
2) Increase burrow time(this also seems to have been reduced from GW1)
3) Make spikeweeds more effective( I haven't caught one zombie in this to date whereas in GW1 it was fairly common to do this)
4) Increase 25 HP on all classes?
5) Armour chomper bite increased to 60-70 to make him more effective
Common EA, chompers are one of the most unique and famous of all the classes, lets keep it that way!
Anonymous
10 years ago
@xar015 wrote:

To fix the Chomper’s digestion rate problem it needs a new way eat zombies.

This is how I think it should be solved.

This is only given to chompers without spray types or belching weapons. I’m calling it the buffet bar. This digestion themed bar will show how many zombies can be swallowed by a Chomper before digestion, with a limit of 2 zombies. If the Chomper swallows 2 zombies the Chomper needs to sit and digest for the time of 7 seconds. If a Chomper swallows only one zombie the bar will go up to half way, and the Chomper will not be restricted in the use of abilities or his primary weapon. Also if no zombies are eaten during 3 seconds after swallowing a zombie, the bar will steadily drop until zero.

So am I right in saying that you are suggesting a chomper can swallow a new victim every 3 seconds without swallowing? If that's the case he'd be running around like pacman. Might be kind of OP. That's almost as nuts as the 10 seconds invisibility every 20 seconds suggested elsewhere.

If anything he just needs damage reduction whilst swallowing (maybe a faster digestion time if gooped), camera bug fixed (although i get it on other plants too), and as others have said use aim to swallow.