Graveyard Variety Pack - post patch feedback

Without having read all the comments:

Rose is too weak.

Less damage

less range(RIDICULOUS)

can't move while charging missiles, can't jump.

less health.

they patched the * out of her, seriously. She became useless.

Imp:

Too much health, pls increase at least the cooldown for this magnet bomb, it's really taking the *. I only see imps using it.

And:

Why IN HEAVEN:

did POPCAP decrease the LEGENDARY characters? damn, THEY ARE LEGENDARY! They are HARD TO GET! it takes ages, and THEN, after HAVING ONE, They are worse than the basic character. seriously.

I only play basic citron because the party citron is useless online. less damage, NO advantage.

Wooooo, party mode, yeah, go for it, get god damn 7 vanquish streaks and get party time for 2 secs. Well done popcap.

Edit: i am talking about the party characters. not the others.

I wrote this on the PvZ wiki as Tecku, but it should be stated here:

Okay, I know I'm gonna get a lotta hate for this, but.... multiplayer... is a little less fun. At least, for the Turf Takeover maps. In the first game, the odds were about 50/50 for each team, maybe slightly higher for the zombies. Most sucessful defenses would either be at the last point, or a particular hard point (Apartment for Main Street, Suburbs for Cactus Canyon, etc.). And that was fine- it was fun moving through the different areas, even if you were the defense.

Nowadays, attackers rarely seem to get anywhere. I've played twelve matches since joining up- only two resulted in attacker victory (both were Herbal Assualt before Rose nerf). It's... really not that fun. In my opinion, with the exception of the endgame, each individual point should favor the attackers- the defense can make up for it in number.

Also, it may just be that I'm buying character packs with the single player coins, but I really find myself short on summon packs. At the very least, can we get some more turrets with each pack? Don't forget, those things get used in Ops, Turf Takeover, and Backyard Battleground.

Okay. I don't know if anyone was asking for this. I don't know whether or not anyone wanted this. But the speed decrease is killing me. It is so hard to find cover against enemies, and half the fights I enter just seem to be one gaint spam fest. I understand why they did it- make it easier for new players, but the game is a lot less based on skill now. It took me a long time to perfect the GW1 shooting mechanic- circle the enemy, and lead them with your shots.

At the very least, I think Peashooter and Engineer should get some speed back. These are guys whose entire mechanic relies on circling the enemy with Hyper/Jackhammer. I also think it would balance Rose a little bit more. If players moved faster, Rose would have a more diverse move pool- Homing Thistles for fast players, ability spells for slower, bulkier characters. This would force players to alternate between Rose's primary and abilities depending on the situation, making it a better balanced game.

I dunno, maybe I'm just being that guy who hates change. I guess I can get used to it. What do you guys think?

Rose: if she is going to be that weak she needs to move much faster.  Right now she's a floating * that can get a quick burst of kills (if lucky) and then dies because she has no way of escaping .  She can hardly evade fire so she is taking a bashing at all ranges especially considering she only has 100 health.  The frost variant of rose is absolute rubbish imho, she moves slow, she fires slow, and I have yet to freeze a player with a either a fully charged blast, are large amount of continuous blasts or many combinations thereof.

Imp: some of these variants are ridiculously op.  I get that the imp is burst damage, but he should require skill and be one of the hardest characters to play.  As of right now the cone imp is too easy (coming from my experience as playing this character), and I see the flying shrimp variant a lot as well which tells me he is very strong.

In general, the zombies are now dominating most matches-by much larger margins than the ubiquitous rose-heavy teams pre-patch.  I saw many games of a difference of 40-50% score (like 50-38 team vanquish was pretty regular), but now I'm seeing score difference of 200% or more quite regularly (50-12 team vanquish match most recently) in favor of the zombies.  I've played the first game and I know you guys are capable of figuring this out, but please hurry as I have yet to have anywhere near the amount of enjoyment for the multiplayer portion of this game as I was hoping for.

Also, on the xbox one version of this game the experience can be very inconsistent.  Personally, I feel that this game allows for some pretty cheesy connections to play and I am confident in this statement because this game is a third person shooter with higher than average time to kills with the exception of a few select abilities.  Often there will be characters that take much more damage than their health is rated at.  For instance, I counted over 200 damage (remember this is displayed on screen) against a pea pod that instantly killed me at full health and in the kill screen the player still had 27% health.  I also find that I'm being matched with players from Brazil, and other South and Central American countries-these players need their own region to include Mexico.  I have nothing against these players as people, but all in all their connection quality sucks and it makes these games inconsistent and often one-sided in their favor.  More than a few times have I killed players only to have them die at a noticeable delay-meaning I am reloading because I ran out of bullets and haven't fired a shot in almost a second, some times more, and the player will suddenly fall over dead.  Other times I have died and then had the opposing player die at a noticeable time later without using DOT abilities (once this happened with a delay of several seconds in which the opposing player's character teleported a significant distance back to the spot I killed them).  150/150 Mbps fiber line hardwired to a netgear open Nat status router running as gateway plugged into a cat 6 ont-it's not my connection!!  The non  on-screen burst damage is ridiculous-you don't get pummeled with pea pods and splash damage, you just fall over dead from some guy that suddenly rounded the corner with full health and your citron shield just popped in anticipation of that player's arrival.  I understand that some projectiles are hard to see, but what one-shot does the pea pod have that gives no situational indication and then reports as death from the pod cannon?

It's boring to play as zombie now...they're dominating plants, it's not funny anymore.

Pre patch it was a thrill to counter op rose, and me and my friends we're able to make a difference in many games and win as zombie team.

Now at the beginning of the round you can't even invest some time in customisation or looking through the charakters because meanwhile your zombie team is conquering half of the gardens.

Plants on the other side were absolutely balanced pre patch.

Only thing to change was op rose. Nothing else.

Now they've become useless and frustrating to play. And somehow i feel they changed something about the hit detection or boxes. I find it more difficult to hit something as a plant. I noticed this with all electro variants, the most with sunflower and peashooter.

Game was more of a thrill pre patch, now it has become boring on either side.

For us post patch w/l was 90/10 for zombies.

Only garden we're able to hold was last base at the castle, where zombies have to push uphill and break through the castle door.

It's a pity because except for rose me and my friends as gw1 veterans loved the game.

Now noone wants to play anymore :-(

Over all I feel the patch works.

I feel that turf takeover is still a little to crazy though. It's much better and it is playable. I enjoy it. I still feel it can get a little hectic.

I feel like individual players are still a little under powered. In GW1 a good player could do a lot by themselves. I had a lot of battles were one good player could really disrupt or change the flow of the game. (a good engineer making sure the teleporter was always up and safe, or a good cactus drone pilot keeping one down.) They could really change the flow of battle in a really annoying way. (in a good counter play way) But as is GW2 feels a little grab bag. or that while a single player can do good for themselves. in the end victory is out of your hands. And you just have to hope your team can keep up. It makes capturing the turf feel random per match outside the range of skill. like "I hope I'm on the better team" instead of "lets turn this around! we can still do this!" a lot of G&G matches were down to the second. now it will ether happen or it won't

on the topic of teleporters I feel they are too easy to attack as the defenders. I know that they are supposed to be a point of conflict. But they feel too open to me. in GW1 a good engineer could set up the base. Now I feel like I need too much help from my team. and sometimes that help is hard to get. 

I also feel that the battle can move to far into the attackers spawn. I feel GW1 had a great sense of "you can't stop the zombies. you just have to delay them until time runs out" But now I find a lot of battles in the middle too much. and getting to the turf can be really hard sometimes.

If I could recommend a map for future DLC could I recommend Main Street from GW1?

Can you add a toggle in the backyard battleground to turn off character silhouettes from players on the other team? I noticed that when I was a zombie I could see a peashooter silhouette. and I would like to be able to hide from opponents.

game is broken now. zombies are to strong