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Anonymous
8 years ago

Plants vs zombies unbalances and idea fixes

Now ofcourse we all know the pros, its a very fun and addicting game i already spent limitless hourse playing. The diversity of heroes and what they bring is great and pretty balanced however i want to focus on a couple of things that i feel is a little unbalanced and ideas to maybe stabalize

Zombies! The diversity of cards and tricks that the zombie faction has is much more greater and powerful then the plants faction. For example; brain vendor is basically a free zombie due to its effect. Rolling stone is a guarantee kill due to 80% of plants not having over 2 atk especially in the early rounds and it only costs 1 energy(brain) and these are only two examples.

Im general zombies have a greater advantage then plants and its a little frustrating so some fixes I recommend would be changes in some zombie cards like:
Brain vendo: 3 -> 4 (or decrease the amount of its effect)
Rolling stone: 1 -> 2
Weed spray: doesnt affect cards with no attack
Area spray 3 -> 4 (or have frenzy only work until all plants are destroyed not being able to atk directly)
Laser base alpha 3 -> 5 *zombie automatically destroys all plants and atks directly? Cmon thats overkill*
Camel crossing 1 -> 3
Ecape through time 1-> 2
Cone zone 2 -> 3
Final mission 1 -> 2 or does damage due to the zombie that was sacrificed atk power
Loose cannon 1-> 2
Zombie king 4 -> 5

Also i think zombie environments should be either considered tricks or be only used during their summoning phase instead of trick phase so at least plants have a chance to counter

I think these fixes will help balance out the game a little better but if you think there is something wrong or maybe other ideas like creating more plants i would definitely like to hear it as i am a big fan.

Please and thank you
- pvz fan

36 Replies

  • daalnnii's avatar
    daalnnii
    8 years ago
    The only thing I really agree with is that Lane effect cards should be considered tricks. That way zombies can make them harder to put out by way of def end, and plants like sportacus and black eyed bean can react and make zombies think twice.

    The rest of the cards can seen strong if you don't have a counter, but every single hero has cards that can be exceptionally strong given the right situation, or against decks that haven't built in a counter.
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    I am not saying this to insult anyone, I am just curious...
    How do so many players think zombies have such a distinct advantage?
    When I was just starting out in this game I was pretty much balanced in cards and tried to have both plants and zombies with some decent decks. Adter a few weeks of trying to get a game(as a plant hero) on multiplayer, I decided to make a change and concentrated on zombies. And I have no issue any longer to join in a multiplayer game...but I have seen some crazy stuff that people who have a little bit of creativity come up with both as themed decks or ridiculous combos.
    One thing I have not yet noticed is difficulty getting games...until I have a gem quest and try playing as a plant.
    Now I don't believe for a second that these majority are playing plants because zombies have the advantage and they want a challenge. Say that out loud and I'm pretty sure you have a good laugh.
    For all the pineclone/grotto or cliqueys aren't still playing those decks for the challenge, it's because they feel they have a really good chance of winning. And that doesn't make sense to me if zombies are so much better.
    Keep in mind that even though I have biases and I don't think some plants are balanced... I don't think that either side has a huge advantage over the other. That would make no sense for the devs to do because they are trying to make a great game not just something to make coin. Obviously that's part of it but having a great game helps in the money depot
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Thats true but i insist on these changes only because plants dont have the type of tricks that zombies do, especially when they have a whole phase dedicated to it before the fight begins. If a plant uses a trick it can be counter by zombies during this phase. also the power these trick have are unfair for example:
    Camel crossing costs one energy and increases all zombies health by two. The best plants have is photosynthesizer and this increases only one plant.
    Brainy zombies have cards like the gentleman zombie, cryo zombie and medula nebulla which can tremendously help the amount of energy they gain to already use these tricks and the fact that they get such low costing heavy hitting tricks makes it unfair. Especially when solar plants only have sunflower plants that increase the amount of sun this is at the start of the next turn and not permanently or the same round. Maybe if they add a card that increase sun permanently by one and not just the hero card or if sunflowers gain one sun that can be carried over the next round then it would be a bit fair. I mean even gravestones give zombies a big advantage because plants wont be able to figure out a strategy to counter a zombie until the next round and by then it might be to late. There is only one plant that reveals whats in a gravestone and another that destroys them but alot more zombies have the gravestone effect and not to mention these zombies have a secondary effect. A good way to counter this would be to give more different type of plants the team up effect. Maybe not the heavy hitters but plants like pea shooters or mushrooms and nuts with weak atk or defense. Also if there is a team up plant they both dont attack at the same time but rather one after the other. But again these are just my opinions but i think they are rather valid.
  • Azombioso's avatar
    Azombioso
    8 years ago

    I don't agree with most of the things you said, and let me explain it to you why.

    -Brain Vendor: It is a terrible 3 cost card. Let's face it, the card only has value on the Medulla Nebulla or with Bad Moon Rising, otherwise it is pretty bad. I mean, you can have waay better cards at that cost, like a 4/4 Moonwalker or a 2/5 Wormhole Gatekeeper.

    -Rolling Stone: It is fine at that cost. It can only be used on small plants as you said, but I only think it has value on the early game. I don't know what deck you are playing, but at least I only see 3 or 4 plants per match with an attack of 2 or less that can be killed with this card. Usually my opponent plays big plants pretty quickly.

    -Weed Spray: It makes no sense. Why would the card only kill 1 and 2 cost cards? It is technically the only way to counter Mirror Nut decks.

    -Area Spray? What is that card? Are you talking about Area 22, the environment? 

    -Laser Base Alpha: It is fine as it is. Environments can be easily overwritten with another environment. Or you can just use a trick to bounce/freeze/kill the zombie on the lane.

    -Camel Crossing: Disagree as well. Maybe, maaaaaaaybe change its cost to 2, but definitely not 3.

    -Escape through time: Agree on this one, but I don't think it is THAT necessary.

    -Cone Zone: Same thing as in Laser Base Alpha.

    -Final Mission: I actually like your secondary idea. It is kinda annoying that a 1 cost imp can do 4 damage face.

    -Loose Cannon: Agree. It is technically a 3/1 zombie for 1 cost. Ridiculous.

    -Zombie King: Meeeh... I haven't seen him much, even after the buff. I don't think it needs a nerf.

    And finally, the environments being considered as tricks... I totally agree. It makes more sense this way.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Trying to make an argument based on zombies having a trick phase after the plants turn is kinda ridiculous.
    You do realize the turns go
    Zombies cast creatures
    Plants cast creatures and tricks/enviro
    Zombies cast tricks/enviro
    Fight!

    So please fix this problem for us and tell us when zombies play tricks or are you trying to make a case for plants to counter again?

    Also I didn't read your entire rant because the first comparison was so funny I can't not respond to it....
    Camel crossing vs photosynthesyser...
    I agree that camel crossing hits all zombies and photo only one plant but I can guaraneffintee that nobody's ever conjured a darkmatter dragonfruit or astrocado or Starfruit from camel crossing
    If photo is such a lame card why is it in dang near ever guardian deck?
    Instead of just trying to make it easier for plants, or maybe just easier for yourself and your cards on hand, why don't you switch it up and play with zombies and see what happens....you may realize that each trait has ridiculously powerful cards when played in the right setting.
    You think that the grotto spewing little shrooms that spawn into pineclones and then to top it off then they drop molekale...
    Im getting carried away with this. The point is both plants and zombies have powerful cards and when played right or if the opposition can't deal with it they can quickly become overwhelmed
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Mmm i see your point on alot of these cards maybe i did nerf alot of em too much. however the environments do need to be a bit nerfed due to the fact that they are a guaranteed use. Unlike in plants where you place an environment and it can be taken away next turn by an zombie environment. weed spray i didnt see it like that but your right i guess its just annoying the fact that one cards can take away all early round plants. maybe instead of some of cards i mention earlier they should do this

    Brain vendor -> increase health by one decrease effect by one
    Escape through time -> definitely needs a nerf its a one cost protection and conjures a card
    Loose cannon -> increase cost or decrease overshoot effect
    Camel crossing -> 2 i meant to write two earlier i didnt see i wrote 3
    Final mission -> the secondary effect i mention

    Area 22 - should stay as is
    Laser base alpha -> increase by one atleast its a stronger version of area 22 because it clears the lane and atks directly guaranteed

    *enviroments should be played during zombie spawn phase and give em a trick card like "wasteland" destroy environment in this lane or neglect plant environment effects for this turn.

    Lmk what you think
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Why are you explaining the mechanics to me? lol obviously i know im not making a case of when zombies should play trick but rather environments because they arent considered tricks. And maybe i did nerf to many zombie cards check out my new list and lmk what you think.

    Ps - i have used a zombie deck and i have won with just a mashed up zombie deck as much as a good strategized plant deck. I didntt make these ideas as a way to get the upper hand but rather of the situations i have played and seen
    Pps - i bet you use that superbrainz deck smh i hate that * guy he's overused asf
  • BlazinsZ's avatar
    BlazinsZ
    8 years ago

    I really don't agree with nothing, sorry...

    I will give my opinion to  support me:

    About the environment and phases: Is clear (at least I believe), that the environments of the plants are too much better, I regret that even many were on the side of plants, have something like '' Pair Paradise '' on the side of the Zombies It would have been great... force field, the red plant it gives an excessive improvement compared to Meteor Z... Most environments of zombies are really cheap, and I think they are so to counteract the powerful environments of plants. To be honest, the only environment i can see that everyone likes is the nebula. Total eclipse It's boring and others well... fine but, is not like the env. of plants. 

    About the rest:

    -Brain Vendor: is only a 2/1 zombie free... I have placed many on my deck, and they often annoy, are useful with nebulla, but I've actually seen better things.

    -Rolling Stone: Is the way to fight ''Black Eyed Pea'' card of plants, because the others tricks increase the BEP strength... if you modify this, you'll put the zombies in a big trouble.

    -Weed Spray:: ._.' This trick is risky, cost 3, And whenever I see in the turn 3 the zombies don't play zombies, It's obvious what's going to happen, you should not play plants, I always manage to avoid this trick, It's not powerful for me.

    -Laser Base Alpha:  When I first saw this, i get scared, but them... It's not the big thing actually, i insist, the plants env. are better.

    -Camel Crossing: A normal hearty trick, Is the special of this class... i mean, you have to see how you defeat this, come on, this trick is old not  the end of the world, and can't conjure any card...

    Escape through time: Oh man this trick makes me play as a zombie, is really good, why do you want to change everything in this game? -.- Can cost 2 but under protest!

    -Cone Zone: I don't get it, you want to change all tricks and env of hearty class? o.O! It is as if I were suggesting to eradicate most of the'beans ability of the smarty class... I think you can improve your strategy to fight against this particular class ''Hearty''.

    -Final Mission: A strategy card, you loose a zombie, We don't always have useless zombies, back-up dancers is the most better option. I really don't see how terrible is.

    -Loose Cannon: Mmmm , @Azombioso  I have always been very in agreement with your participations, but in this case, i don't get it. A zombie 3/1 with 1 cost... are 4 points with 1 cost... well we have Dog walker 2/2 with 1 cost (4 points too) and have hunt. Cheese Cutter have 2/2 and can conjure a card! and that card cost 1 less... Cat lady... have great ability and only cost 1.  Disco naut...  Planetary Gladiator practically blocks all attacks in the early rounds. Ducky tube zombie , how annoying is... is better than Swashbuckler Zombie (cost 2!), and even can put on the water that ducky zombie (really annoying with the plants class without any amphibious) , Loose cannon Only secures 2 damage.  Tennis Champ is worst i think, do 4 damage if you don't block. And a lot of zombies... xD 

    -Zombie King: This is a legendary, they are usually so out of control.

    ''There is only one plant that reveals whats in a gravestone and another that destroys them but alot more zombies have the gravestone effect and not to mention these zombies have a secondary effect.''

    OK Spyris is the only plant who can do that, but i think that creators don't want this ability, because it is the ideal of gravestones, if you have a lot of plants who can see the gravestone, all the zombies gravestone will start to be something stupid under that gravestone... 

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    I agree with the fact plant environment are better but they have much fatier costs then zombie environments. They are also easily countered with these low costing environments that they are never guaranteed to be used. If brain vendor is so annoying why use the lot of them? Lol theyre annoying for plants thats a fact. Especially when used with final mission to further their cause or even as plain free spawn. Weed spray risky? How? Avoidable? How? They should nerf this to the point that it only affects ground lanes or actually make it risky and affect both plants and zombies alike lets see how many decks take this card after that. Camel crossing is okay not a big deal in my part its just that plants dont have cards that affect all plants with one cost. Escape through time i know it makes you wanna play as a zombie how can you not with such powerful tricks (thanks for making my point). I have since changed my mind about rolling stone, alpha station, cone zone and zombie king. In general plants dont have tricks like these to get to use before the fight begins; give plants more team up like there are gravestones, more low costing tricks that give bonus attack Or more counters for tricks that dont just involve plant effects and then i'll consider it a fair fight
  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
    Actually I don't play SuperBrainz very often...especially since it took my over 60 packs to pull Huge Gigantus. And I don't take offence to your little dig at the "smoke bombers" 😜 but I do notice that you have still, while calling for balance, yet to mention a single plant unbalance...or I suppose they're all good as far as you have seen?
    I guarantee that you try a makeshift anything deck and while you may get lucky once in awhile, you're not going to climb any levels in league play with a deck like that... I have a hard time believing in the silver or gold league even...

    I may be wrong but the way this entire thread comes off to me is, while it is for the most part well thought out(still a lot of ranting tho) it really just seems like a list of cards that give you problems that you have yet to solve. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone...that is just how these threads seem to me
    Especially since you call for "balance" and if you honestly play as a zombie you would see what I see in your post

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