Re: brainy class, the game's biggest mistake.

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@thomas99313 wrote:

     Also, if you were to reach taco league that fast, there is really no reason for you to complain about cards being OP.

^ seconded

@thomas99313

i'm discussing my opinion about the biggest flaw in the game in my opinion, a class like beastly is so easy for me and i even think it's oppressed , but brainy class literally has everything, i asked a question, " what is their main weakness? " and nobody answered, they really don't have , in addition to having the games biggest flaw " giving plants main identity advantage to a zombie+ soooooo cheap " .. they are OP , they really are

if you are gonna discuss brainy class with me, i'd like to, but if you are gonna start talking about " all classes are bla bla bla " please don't just type anything

@Azombioso @jaydabbler @thomas99313 does reaching taco league that fast and having a good deck contradict with loosing few games ?! and loosing these games due to OP and unfair designing like zom-blob medula nebula ... etc ?! 

can't i be wining and still " discus " something i see is wrong with the game ?

are zombie players just like their zombies in real life ? no brains ? .. oh bros , you will need a medula nebula for that 😛      

I don't know why you ask for discussions if you don't know how to discuss.

About the weakness, almost all those players of that class has become accustomed to that environment, it's funny how you take away the environment Medulla Nebula, and they don't know what to do, In fact, I dont know what they will do after Medulla Nebula and Zom-blob Nerf. Poor class, at least they have the science cards.

@BlazinsZ they didn't discuss they were just talking about me lol

now we are talking

bro they have everything !! as i mentioned what they just don't have is healing.. don't forget that no hero comes with one class !! there is always another class!! so adding a simple plug in from another class like just one card  maybe a going viral or barrel of barrels  or stomptadon or tranklysourus or many other examples makes the brainy class x10 better adding to that they already draw cards and make brains  and have bullseyes and MAKE BONUS ATTACKS.. every hero comes with two classes and yet the only players who can use just one class and still win are brainy deck users.. because it has got everything literally 

and after all of that, the main point that nobody discussed or even mentioned, giving the general advantageous ability and identity of plants to z zombie class THAT CHEAP and yet giving is to the most powerful class, and not giving a plant class the same concept of being able to do something in a phase that's not yours.. it might be logical if it was considered as " SNEAKING " the would've been acceptable and logical and yet too cheap too .. 

@z_elmo21 and @thomas99313 I am going to ask that you refrain from attacking each other. If you are unable to keep it respectful then I will be locking this thread. 

@z_elmo21 I'm just supporting @thomas99313 argument. If you have a winrate let's say... of 80-90%, then why are you complaining? We all have cards and classes that we hate, but you don't see us raging about it on the forum. (Well, at least some of us don't).

Speaking of Brainy, their main weakness is tempo. They use many resources trying to get MORE resources that they often get behind on the board. 

Just so you can get an idea, is like playing Cryo-Brain on turn 2, playing Medulla Nebulla on turn 3, or drawing/conjuring cards instead of using those resources to play zombies.

If you play many plants in all lanes, it's very difficult for a Brainy Heroe to catch up since they do not have AoE clears.

If you just play 1 plant at a time or over-buff a plant instead of distributing your buffs, yes, you are going to lose.

@Azombioso i don't think you faced brainy heroes enough though ! medulla nebula is the most tempo thing in that game if used right !!! brain vendors and medulla nebula + evolution can give you a bad moon rising or maybe 18 attack zoo-blob at turn FOUR ! isn't that tempo for you ? and bonus attacks can finish everything

and for god's sake man brainy is just a one class in a hero that comes with two classes !! so these mega abilities are enormously buffed with another class !! classes that can heal or sneak or whatever !! because brainy class is soooo much power people are speaking about is like it's a hero of a one class  !! see ?!

and i consider bonus attack somehow a clear card, a brilliant clear card 

and by the way i NEVER had more than three plants on the board and i still win, my strategy but it somehow works

i need to know your opinion about the biggest point that nobody replied for, " the ability of braking game's main rules and playing zombies in tricks phase... and yet SO CHEAP , and given to brainy class too !! " , what do you think of that ?

@EA_Darko i tried as much as i could but this was just a reaction for provoking , i still apologise.

@z_elmo21 Precisely, I haven't faced many brainy heroes because I'm usually playing as them. Hooooooowever I do have faced this annoying combos before (usually when I'm playing my 10x Plant Hero tickets) and it's not THAT hard to counter them.

Is like the previous combo, (Teleport + Valkyrie + Bonus Attack), just that right now it has Zomblob instead. You just need to keep low cost plants (Forget-me Nuts, Primal Sunflower, Mars Flytrap, etc) to start filling all lanes and start applying some pressure and a cheap environment (Planet of the Grapes, Spikeweed Sector) to overwrite the Medulla once it arrives.

For the last part, " the ability of braking game's main rules and playing zombies in tricks phase... and yet SO CHEAP , and given to brainy class too !! "... I do like this card.

I've said it many times, but Zombies DO have a board disadvantage simply because they play first.

Imagine this: Teleport doesn't exist. A player executes his Zomblob combo, and summons a 18 attack Zomblob in a lane. Then?

You can deal with it as cheaply as 1 sun (Polymorph Superpowers) to a 3 cost Bounce.

@z_elmo21 Teleport is a good tool that helps zombies overcome this problem, so I don't mind that this card exists. I do agree, however, that the card is ridiculously cheap. If I had to tweak this card, I would keep the exact same effect (teleport one zombie and draw a card) BUUUUUUUUUUT I would change it so that it costs 50% of the zombie you want to teleport and you only draw a card once the teleport is successful. (Rounded up, probably)

This way, you can cast the teleport for 0 brains (since you don't know what zombie are you going to teleport) then all zombies in your hand would cost 50% more.

This would make Zomblob cost 5 instead of 3. (You know, the bigger the zombie, the more power you need to teleport it) Once the teleport is finished, you draw a card.

It is pretty insane that you can teleport something so huge and devastating like the Zombot 1000 for just 1 brain.

@Azombioso thumps up !! i really like the idea ! i hope developers will consider it @EA_Darko

but if you think the card is fine and makes the zombies overcome the disadvantage they have , why can't plants have something similar ?! something that can be played in in zombies tricks phase , a surprising card you play from your hand , like these ones in yu-gi-oh !! blocks a tricks or something like that ?!

this would be fair enough !

@z_elmo21 A "surprising card" can be problematic. Just think about it. EVERY time the enemy hero plays a trick 1 of 2 things should happen:

1.- Give you the choice to cancel that specific trick. In which that case the enemy hero WILL know that you have that card on hand because a small timer would appear for you to make the choice to cancel or allow that trick, making it less of a "surprising card".

2.- You should be fast enough to play your card. If you get distracted or just have some lag, this could lead to you not negating the trick on time.

I think that, if you wanted to do a "trick cancelling card", it should be something like a Forget-me Nuts or Sportacus type of card. I mean, a minion that stays on the board and has an ongoing effect.

I don't know, something like: "The first trick the zombie hero plays each turn is negated".

However, who knows if this could happen. Brainana exists for some reason, so...

Trick phase is vital for zombies, because zombies play first, so any zombie they pull you can block, and also if you are playing zombies, you never know what thing the plant hero do, you have no idea, but the plant player see the zombie move first and can react, the gravestone help zombies resolve this disadvantage and also the phase trick, that's the reason why zombie tricks are more powerful than plants, because they need to be. 

But I think the trick phase should always stay in tricks... but those zombies '' you can play a zombie in trick phase '' , Zom blob, Teleport... they changed  the game... that's why they are legendary, but they practically change the advantage of the plants players, of course they give different airs to the game, but, i don't know.

The problem is that increase the number of plants like Brainana, you are also eliminated the possibility of using normal tricks, what is necessary for zombies, and in the end you are creating another problem XD . 

Better solve Zom-blob and all happy.

@patdk75 an environment would be absolute garbage und useless, because it can be erased in tricks phase EASILY with another environment .. this would be useless

we want something as sneaky and frustrating as teleportation.. a card played from the hand will be perfect

@suicidepurple get rid of the first stopmadon and everything will be ok.. we are talking here about a 1 card, that's not impossible to deal with, at least you saw the zombie that's been played, now you are just waiting for the tricks.. NOT WAITING FOR BOTH ZOMBIES AND TRICKS BOTH TO BE PLAYED AFTER YOU !!

@patdk75 all respect to you ! i didn't mean to say that " your idea " is garbage , i'm speaking about the nature of the environment , it's really useless because it can be erased , so it won't add anything different or ability or extra power to the plants players !! please don't take it personally or even think i meant to mock your words or say anything bad about your idea, i totally appreciate your contribution and discussing things with me, all respect to you, and sorry if you understood anything else 🖐🏻

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@patdk75 wrote:
Or a plant like the portal technician, say, Bush hiding in a bush, 

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HOLY SHEETS OF PAPER!!

THAT'S AN AWESOME IDEA!!!

Imagine it this way...

1 sun - Smarty plant trick - Bush

"The next plant you play this turn is hidden until the battle phase begins."

Is like a combination of Teleport + Gravestones, but for plants. You hide your plants inside a bush and only come out once the battle begins. (Pretty much like the way teleport works)

And because it is hidden, it would make the plant semi-untrickable (pretty much like gravestones).