Re: Let's Watch: January 24th Live from Neighborville

I thought they said the wizard would be available for coins after the battle pass ends.

Well, hey maybe next stream?😕

Guys, the devs don't address our concerns about rainbow stars and this game's monetization in general because they... morally can't. I mean, what are they going to say? Oh yes, uhh sorry we aren't changing that we like taking advantage of children and people heavily susceptible to the FOMO. At this point... do any of us here REALLY believe that one of these days the devs are going to have a change of heart and remove all the egrigous garbage piling on top of this landfill of a game? Even if they miraculously manage to stop having the never ending urge to suck their audience's wallets dry, would they really ever manage to bring BFN up to par with the GW games? Well, I don't know, guess it depends how much faith you still have in them, which uhh for me personally.......... not looking so good! 

The game is broken, full of horrible, egregious microtransactions, and the devs just used their latest stream to further ignore the forums while showing us the new ways they will be pickpocketing children. It gets to the point where you just have to ask yourself.......... Why on Earth am I still here? You only have so much time to play games. There are so much better games out there, with better devs that actually respect their community and treat them like PEOPLE not... wallets. And.... man I know how hard it is to just... move on from a franchise I love. I've had to do it multiple times now due to devs throwing away all their morals. There just isn't anything left for me here. BFN won't ever improve, GW isn't coming back, and the forums are being ignored. Now, I'm not saying everyone should just give up and quit.... its just that.. I think its worth thinking about how you are all being treated. You guys don't deserve this and, quite frankly, they don't deserve you. 

@IMAXIMAI All my problems solved. 😉

I just watched it and my own feelings are mixed.

They did mention the forums briefly very early in the video but they didn't really address anything we've been bringing up. There's reasons why I prefer to post here instead of on Reddit and I don't understand why anyone would pay attention to a site that isn't official and not regulated like the forums are. I was very active on the City of Heroes forums for years before it got shut down, and the devs were pretty active there. With few exceptions the community here is far more civil and not as full of obnoxious memes and is a much better place than Reddit overall. Reddit has some good posts, like that bug list, but those are the exceptions to the rule. Considering how many constructive, well-thought out, and well-discussed posts we have here, I just do not understand this at all. I'm only on Reddit and the foul den of twitter due to GW2 and now BfN in the first place, if the team were more active here, I wouldn't have to bother.

New map looks great and I'm glad it's not as brown as the others, definitely interested in that.

The wizard sounds fun but I really wish you would release characters in pairs (one zombie and one plant) so it helps balance out the 'cult of the new' effect new characters add. The ability to become a buff for other zombies really sounds really interesting though. Unlocking him via the prize map or later via coins is good news. I really want something to spend the coins on, although I'll likely finish the map anyway.

No discussion of 12v12 at all? 8v8 TT is just not great with the huge maps and distances to the battle/objective. It really needs to be adjusted. I did try 8v8 since I didn't want to assume it was bad, but it is not working well. Get that lag issue fixed for people and get it back to 12v12!

The legendary upgrade I'm on the fence about right now. If it's straight-up better than the default with decent upgrades (as the legendary upgrade eats the slots), it's not a great idea as it would obviously behoove everyone to use it. Earning it via the prize map is cool as even with me playing at a slow/moderate rate I'm getting the map done early (I have 31 bulbs banked for next month currently). Buying it with rainbow stars after the map is done, I'm unsure about, I feel it should be coins instead.

I really want to see the lag/control issues spoken about more. Until this stuff is all fixed, everything else is secondary.

I know I'm missing some issues we talk about here, overall the stream wasn't awful but it wasn't what a lot of us were looking for.

Please submit all future concerns in the form of fan art (with the appropriate hashtags) for further consideration.

Yep, I feel a little dazed this morning and not sure exactly what to think or to say for that matter about everything from last night....
and while there is new stuff... exciting-ish.... it has just raised many more questions and worries...

and at the same time the live stream did nothing to address any of the really important and long term issues people are concerned with,
and to not mention or acknowledge the "supposedly" official forum in any way feels like a slap in the face for many.

I think today, at this moment, this is my main feeling... disappointment for my forum family here... and sad that the effort and love put into this forum seems to have gone by the wayside ☹️

Hang in there my forum troops ❤️ 🙂

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@asabaida wrote:

Yep, I feel a little dazed this morning and not sure exactly what to think or to say for that matter about everything from last night....
and while there is new stuff... exciting-ish.... it has just raised many more questions and worries...

and at the same time the live stream did nothing to address any of the really important and long term issues people are concerned with,
and to not mention or acknowledge the "supposedly" official forum in any way feels like a slap in the face for many.

I think today, at this moment, this is my main feeling... disappointment for my forum family here... and sad that the effort and love put into this forum seems to have gone by the wayside ☹️

Hang in there my forum troops ❤️ 🙂

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You are such a bright light in our community. 💚😊

It’s one thing to post here and forum members bicker or trolls come in... from time-to-time, I notice members who stop liking my posts and only like others.... many times people join the community OBLIVIOUS to etiquette/allergic to search functions and just this week, it’s a massive trend to create duplicate threads.  I can’t mention the number of times I’ve answered posts that haven’t been accepted as answers only to have someone repeat me (later) to be accepted.  

All of this stuff is expected; being flat-out ignored by the people we’re giving our money to is not.

On the issue of stockpiling coins. Maybe restocking the reward o Tron would be too much time investment, but popcap have a golden opportunity to solve the problem by making legendary upgrades available for coins, not rainbow stars. Then produce them at a decent rate, aim for two or three  per character over time. Hell almost being like having variants back to some degree. This would clearly have been listening to the community and they had a chance to make it happen, alleviate two massive pain points, with small adjustments to current plans.

They still do, but I do worry about this little "legendary upgrades in rux" toe being dipped into the water. I'm concerned as are many people here.

PVZ BFN is a toddler.  There are two groups of people standing in front of it.  One group has shiny toys, candy, and pennies they can stick in an electrical socket.

The other group has books, healthy foods, structure and discipline.  

Which group do you think the toddler is going to walk to?

There are still lots of issues that have not been addressed! ☹️

However, the livestream showed lots of upcoming and new content which will be added into the game, so hopefully it's something we can all look forward to and enjoy once it has been released? 🙂👍

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@TheSprinter85 wrote:

There are still lots of issues that have not been addressed! ☹️

However, the livestream showed lots of upcoming and new content which will be added into the game, so hopefully it's something we can all look forward to and enjoy once it has been released? 🙂👍

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Yes it is good to call out the positive stuff too and I am looking foward to the new map and character. 

Just hope popcap/EA don't make bad decisions that destroy people's investment in the game before they even get to try the new content. I am wavering now and will give the game a break for a few days.

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@spIash_damage wrote:

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@asabaida wrote:

Yep, I feel a little dazed this morning and not sure exactly what to think or to say for that matter about everything from last night....
and while there is new stuff... exciting-ish.... it has just raised many more questions and worries...

and at the same time the live stream did nothing to address any of the really important and long term issues people are concerned with,
and to not mention or acknowledge the "supposedly" official forum in any way feels like a slap in the face for many.

I think today, at this moment, this is my main feeling... disappointment for my forum family here... and sad that the effort and love put into this forum seems to have gone by the wayside ☹️

Hang in there my forum troops ❤️ 🙂

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You are such a bright light in our community. 💚😊

It’s one thing to post here and forum members bicker or trolls come in... from time-to-time, I notice members who stop liking my posts and only like others.... many times people join the community OBLIVIOUS to etiquette/allergic to search functions and just this week, it’s a massive trend to create duplicate threads.  I can’t mention the number of times I’ve answered posts that haven’t been accepted as answers only to have someone repeat me (later) to be accepted.  

All of this stuff is expected; being flat-out ignored by the people we’re giving our money to is not.

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@spIash_damage 

Thanku, I appreciate that 🙂, that's a very sweet thing to say 😃

@shurikeninja I agree a ton, we are actually getting variants, but it being on the prize map and ONLY in Rux for 300 stars is not the best choice imo. They should create a new place for rux for the upgrades and put them there. Each one of them cost 500k coins OR 300 rainbow stars (In a way that you have two choices to buy an upgrade, this could help because people can grind either rainbow stars or coins by doing weekly challanges and the map or just farming, and if people buyed or saved rainbow stars, they could use them if they really want the upgrade) this way they could also speed up the development of these upgrades and basically bring back variants in a way and add more content. Think how fun and good this would be.

Well, i took a day to think about info from the stream, and im actually angry. 

We getting one new character and new actually feeling weapon, but in a worst way! BY GRIND OR REAL MONEY! What the hell! Its okay to make people gring for a simple skin that doesn't change gameplay, but new weapon DOES change gameplay(Actually in a way i like, like slow but powerfull weps) but instead playing game, i had to concentrate on price bulbs to unlock that weapon! Same goes for a charcter!! Or i just have to spend rainbow s.t.a.r.s. to get this stuff, wich equivalent to real money, in game stars earning by really small bits, im still have not enough to buy 1000 skin, so wasting 300 stars on weapoin or character(And charcter can cost more) is damaging. And what about people who spend 1000 stars on skin, now they have to spend 8 weeks  doin events to get enough stars!

Also 1 new weapon in feb. and 1 new char in marth is way too small. 

New map feels better than all we have, but pointles with 8 v 8!! And not saying about returning of 12 v 12 is just kills will to play. 

Having the legendary upgrade available from the prize map is fine for me - but I have some concerns/issues with it as well. It's great to have a feature in this game that is purchased that is not cosmetic, cosmetic items are fantastic to have in this game, and always will be, it changes the game a fair amount, you see different looking characters. It's great but they offered no competitive advantages whatsoever. Yes, normal character upgrades are in the game, but they are not purchased, rather you just get them at the start or you level up to get them. Easy enough. I really want cosmetics to continue being made, and I think they will be for a long time, which is excellent, so thank you, but what about something that offers a competitive advantage that you can purchase as well? They had variants and alternate abilities in the GW series, where is this in BfN? 🤔

By adding these legendary character upgrades, the game has something which can be grinded for and purchased as well, without it simply only being cosmetic, and on top of that they have cosmetics as well which somewhat match the character's upgrade as well, which is a really cool idea. These legendary character upgrades are completely different compared to the GW series - they didn't exist, and probably never will, which is why it's so great, and I hope the developers will also add, as well as cosmetics, more non-cosmetics for purchase (or by grinding). Although, I'm pretty sure that they will make more legendary upgrades anyway, which is cool! 😎

Where's the issue then? It's pretty much completely fine, but why is it going to be available for Rux? You can already purchase Prize Bulbs for Rainbow Stars (which is not ideal) so why the need for that? Yes, it involves grinding but it makes it all worth it (and don't forget you can purchase prize bulbs as well). You shouldn't need to make it available from Rux, I don't think it's the best idea, but other than that it's great that these upgrades got added! 🙂

As for the Wizard 🧙 character, making him available for purchase with coins after he is available from the prize map is a great idea, it gives something else to spend coins on and everyone can get him, but the people who get him beforehand gets a special cosmetic for him and gets to show him off earlier. THAT is a great idea! 👍

@TheSprinter85
By adding these legendary character upgrades, the game has something which can be grinded for and purchased as well, without it simply only being cosmetic, and on top of that they have cosmetics as well which somewhat match the character's upgrade as well, which is a really cool idea.

This is not a cool idea. Lets start from the beginning..... GRIND IS BAD! 

Playing game for fun, and as you want and when you feel to play doesn't work when you HAVE TO GRIND, You have to launch game every day to do daily challenges, you have to do character specific challenges OR you have to play 24/7 to earn enough price bulbs! And its okay if you don't gring and won't get some cool cosmetic, its still just a cosmetics, but an update is not JUST a cosmetic, its differnet working weapon that can make feel character in different way! 

That update should be earnable ONLY by leveling that character up! Make it grand master price. Don't put it in a freakin price map, when you have only one month to earn that upgrade or else spend stars. 

Upgrate itself is good, but it made in all wrong ways. Its in wrong place to earn, its in wrong place to use, puting it in 7 dots buff and asking 5 dots, WHYYYY, HOW IS IT AND UPGRADE! You do more damage but shot slower, its differnent way to fight but but not exactly better one! 

@delete180  True, that makes the legendary upgrade more of a pay-to-win feature because of grind. Either grind hard or pay money. If it was available from levelling up instead, that'd be totally fine, I'd probably prefer that over the way it is now (as well as many other people). Less pay-to-win that way. At least it's not worth like 1000 rainbow stars! 😇