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Anonymous
8 years ago
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Why Aren't Freeze Decks a "Thing" Right Now?

Personally, I don't use a freeze deck because I don't have the cards to make one, no winter melon or cool beans, or enough winter squashes. But why aren't they being used? With snow drop and iceberg lettuce, the one drops are there. Snow pea, curving into chili pepper, and cool beans on turn 3. squash turn 4, holly turn 5, melon turn 6? I feel like this would be an amazing rose control decks, if you add some more, non freeze-based removal. Yet, I don't really face freeze decks very often.

I know that there's the issue of untrickable, but most of the cards that actually freeze things are plants themselves, not tricks, so untrickable shouldn't be an issue.

Am I missing something here?

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  • Azombioso's avatar
    Azombioso
    8 years ago

    The fact here my friend, is that Freeze decks are pretty unreliable.

    Yes, the scenario that you mentioned is the best case scenario possible, but that's not always what happens.

    -Snow Drop needs some freeze actions to actually become a threat (like, at least 2 freezes to become a 5 attack plant) but can die pretty easily early on.

    -Can be bounced back and loses its buff.

    -Can be blocked with small minions

    -Because of the nature of the deck, you can draw lots of Snow Drops early on or none at all. (You can also run out of cards and draw something like an Iceberg Lettuce, which by itself is pretty useless)

    Also also, freezing zombies don't do much on it's own. Let's say for example, a Chili Pepper vs Fossilhead (that is like, the trend around lately). You have the cool combo (pun intended) of Freeze + Winter Squash, but if you don't have it, freezing a zombie is just saving some time.

    Basically you need to re-freeze big minions constantly because freeze plants can't (most of the time) kill them on its own.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
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    I'm with you on this too. I just mentioned in the balance thread that for the first time in a while I played against a freeze deck, and dude was like 46. So something has to be working out for that particular player. And it was a good deck too. I think that I can fairly judge a decent deck, when even though I didn't get the game I wanted, bad draw is part of the game, and a bad draw is still an okay draw with my deck. Anyways, I did end up losing, barely, but that doesn't matter how close I was, I lost, and they played a good game, and obviously the first thing that I thought, was"why is that so rare to see"?
    Dont chilly peppers freeze the fossilhead? Or snowpeas? Just saying, someone's playing with a Rose freeze deck and is level 46 and climbing, they have had to come across the fossilheads and stompadon ar least a few times, right?
  • saintlydevilis's avatar
    saintlydevilis
    8 years ago

    I stopped laying rank for over a week, because of fossil head, stompadon etc.. Any how, I played today with new deck, not so many of either today. Why? Perhaps they've already ranked up. Perhaps they cashed in other cards to get their winning deck, or bought them? They've made their UL and now bored of the game after thrashing everyone. Shame, these new cards you say are coming didn't come at the same time as the others, that way it might have been a bit more equal?

  • BlazinsZ's avatar
    BlazinsZ
    8 years ago

    Snowdrop deck remember me Doubled Mint, when you read the description, you get excited, Woow so powerful!! but in the game, it's so weak, once you play it, everyone focuses on ir, and any deadly zombie can destroy easily, I remember the first season, only Smelly Zombie it was the threat, this plant was great,  but now there are thousands of ways to make any zombie to deadly... Tricks and more. And when they are small they are very weak.
    it takes a lot of effort make grow Snowdrop, Doubled Mint, Pea Pod and others.

    that's why I'm not very interested in freezing decks.

  • ThCakeIsALie's avatar
    ThCakeIsALie
    8 years ago

    That was my main deck up until recently. To be effective it requires a lot of set-up. Some games you'll get the perfect combo and have 2 Snowbells reach 17+ in damage. However, most of the time you'll either have them destroyed or bounced early on. With a growing number of counters to the freeze deck, it's not as strong as it was in season one. Evolution really changed the way the game plays and, as of right now, there are better options to use than freeze. Prior to evolution my win rate was about 60 - 70%. With evolution, my freeze deck was seeing about 30 - 40%. Right now I'm running a bean deck w/ a 70 - 80% win rate. On ranked I go for what works. Freezing is still my favorite out of every deck Rose can use, but as of right now it needs a buff.

  • shat00n's avatar
    shat00n
    8 years ago

    I run freeze deck since season 1. Climbing the ladder is more problematic than ever. I'd usually hit diamond in 3-5 days. Right now Im still level 46. Zombies have very powerfl early game now (fossilheads, quickdraw), that makes setting up rather difficult. Disco-naut, quickdraw and fraidy car are new one-mana cards that basically force you to use your supertrick on them, if you've got one. If you got freeze supertrick, it's usually gg on turn 3. untrickable zombies make freezing with iceberg lettuce out of question. I am doing pretty good against imps and lategame-oriented decks, but aggro decks (dance, pet) are really tough to beat now. I would even say that playing freeze deck is suboptimal right now. But on the other hand, my winrate is still above 50% and it's nice to have a challenge once in a while. Although i do hope some zombie cards will be nerfed.

  • shat00n's avatar
    shat00n
    8 years ago
    @patdk75 wrote:

    Dont chilly peppers freeze the fossilhead? Or snowpeas? Just saying, someone's playing with a Rose freeze deck and is level 46 and climbing, they have had to come across the fossilheads and stompadon ar least a few times, right?
     Chilly pepper does freeze the fossilhead, but it costs 3 mana, that means best you can do if your opponent plays the combo on turn 3 is to freeze it and deal 2 damage. You will have to freeze it at least one more time to kill. That is a very bad tempo. I personally run jolly berries, that helps against this said deck immensely (especially with winter squash), but its rather weak against aggro.

     Stompadon is easier, hope you'll get goatify or transmogrify and save it. If not, play winter squash on turn 4, which is not a good thing to do under other circumstances. I would actually say that freeze deck is rather good against stompadon. I remember losing to those decks only 2 or 3 times, when I was real unlucky with my draws.
  • jj48car's avatar
    jj48car
    8 years ago

    I'm primarily a zombie player in Diamond league, and I see freeze decks all the time.  A good portion of the decks I play against are freeze decks (and most of the rest tend to be Solar Flare "I'll play only one plant the entire game while the rest of my deck just ensures none of your zombies stay on the board" decks).

    I also tend to use freeze decks myself when playing a plant hero that can support it.  They don't always work, but when they do it's a thing of beauty.

  • Anonymous's avatar
    Anonymous
    8 years ago
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    I am with @ThCakeIsALie and other freeze deck pros here who pointed out that especially untrickible and zombie evolution are a problem for that deck. A friend of mine has developed a really strong rose deck where he was able to rapidly climb up the ladder. Imo rose is atm the strongest plant hero (her superpowers) to beat the op zombie decks from e.g. rustbolt right now. Give it a shot:

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