Re: Individual lightsaber colors

Changed the main post to include a list of suggestions that relate to customization.

I love this hole thread and what y'all have been talking about I couldn't agree more with everything... i was hoping a big improvement on the combat and it has somewhat been different , but the same boring repetitive ; eh somewhat changing characters; mobs ... and actively switching of saber stances would be a massive improvement ... if the mobs have different enemies together why not make the stances 'actively being about to change' ( in my head comes ghost of tsushima stances). and maybe those stances are weaker to certain foes , but stronger in different areas in those stances.. yes there is somewhat of and advantage .. but i would like a single stance to maybe be a bit stronger in force abilities (pull and enemy closer and parry the attack of him getting dragged to you after close contact and actively pull a blaster out and shoot him in the head; or even after the parry activate the other blade from dual sabers). i feel the lack of diversity kinda underwhealing. yes the stances are fun but there really isnt a draw back to having one over another tbh.. i would like more of a reward / risk situations to be more in depth..

.. and im kinda wondering , cool we got companions , but can u actively have them venture with u? ( dont know if that is further in the game or maybe NG+) .. yes some are for some lvls for those little parts to find them to 'recruit them' but having another 'human' companion would be kinda fun venturing the planets .. maybe some small talks throughout the different planets for more interactions with an active companion by ur side..

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@Column3d4rc wrote:

i was hoping a big improvement on the combat and it has somewhat been different , but the same boring repetitive ; eh somewhat changing characters; mobs ... and actively switching of saber stances would be a massive improvement ... if the mobs have different enemies together why not make the stances 'actively being about to change' ( in my head comes ghost of tsushima stances). and maybe those stances are weaker to certain foes , but stronger in different areas in those stances.. yes there is somewhat of and advantage .. but i would like a single stance to maybe be a bit stronger in force abilities (pull and enemy closer and parry the attack of him getting dragged to you after close contact and actively pull a blaster out and shoot him in the head; or even after the parry activate the other blade from dual sabers). i feel the lack of diversity kinda underwhealing.

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Yeah, being honest, I thought the different saber styles would play a bigger role in how you deal with various foes. It could have alot more of a punch to it. Affect which force powers you can use or how efficiently they can be utilized. 
Though I am grateful and do enjoy them. 

Spoiler

I don't know if the bounty hunters change or if they're set, but it'd be cool if they'd cycle and maybe these special bosses would have have dependencies regarding which combat style or styles you used against them.

I hadn't expected them to go this route. I had imagined we'd learn some moves from Merrin. Though... maybe we still will? I don't know, not that far yet.
No spoilers!

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@Column3d4rc wrote:

.. and im kinda wondering , cool we got companions , but can u actively have them venture with u? ( dont know if that is further in the game or maybe NG+) .. yes some are for some lvls for those little parts to find them to 'recruit them' but having another 'human' companion would be kinda fun venturing the planets .. maybe some small talks throughout the different planets for more interactions with an active companion by ur side..

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I think it's limited to certain zones. Not sure though. Would be a shame. It'd be cool to have companions join you in free roam. It kinda feels as if you can select someone but... ergh...
It always feels like you can only use them a couple of times before it's over, before you can really get a kick out of it.


Other than that, I'm surprised they didn't include (transfer) the mantis' costumization options from the 1st game.

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:
"... the advantages over any enemies with lightsabers seem slight, you still have to discover what those advantages are, and you're still fine no matter which saber you have; again, it's really the force powers that the enemies have really specific responses too like pushing flame troopers into a wall to rupture their fuel tank or yanking a jetpack trooper down to the floor. 

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They do seem slight. Though I have noticed the crossguard - greatsaber works to cut shields down, when other stances require you to get around them or use only the force. Which is problematic when dealing with greater numbers. You can also knock people around with the crossguard; helpful against those jetpacks and raiders. Unfortunately, you can't always follow it up with a finishing strike... atleast not if they have a jetpack.

You don't really need to "discover" the advantages... I mean... the tactical guide gives you all the info you need; which ones are slow, require more speed, are tougher... 
However, it all depends on the main aspects of the different stances, rather than the stance abilities themselves.
Overall, they can really dive into the mechanic, if they wanted to. Especially with those bounty hunters. 

@together60if you're like me and don't read the tactical guide, you definitely do "discover" the advantages 😅 and you still do have to discover which enemies your stances have those advantages over. I found out pretty late that the crossguard stance can cut down a shield, mostly because I avoid using it for large groups. And it's cool that it can do that, but I'd still prefer to force yank that shield, or if I'm surrounded just slam them all to the ground and turn them all into sitting ducks for whatever stance you want.
But again that just circles back around to using the force being a much bigger determining factor when it comes to balance.
So I really think that letting you use all the stances, as you said, would just give us a more interesting mechanic for experimenting with the stances that doesn't require dying and restarting at a save point. And again, it would be less immersion-breaking if Cal Kestis's all-in-one lightsaber just worked the way it logically would :c

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:

@together60if you're like me and don't read the tactical guide, you definitely do "discover" the advantages 😅 and you still do have to discover which enemies your stances have those advantages over. I found out pretty late that the crossguard stance can cut down a shield, mostly because I avoid using it for large groups. And it's cool that it can do that, but I'd still prefer to force yank that shield, or if I'm surrounded just slam them all to the ground and turn them all into sitting ducks for whatever stance you want.
But again that just circles back around to using the force being a much bigger determining factor when it comes to balance.
So I really think that letting you use all the stances, as you said, would just give us a more interesting mechanic for experimenting with the stances that doesn't require dying and restarting at a save point. And again, it would be less immersion-breaking if Cal Kestis's all-in-one lightsaber just worked the way it logically would :c

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Well... that's your own fault then ey nit! :P Two lines on tips lmao XD
Force abilities are grand, but when there are alot of shield guys, pulling ain't an option. Haven't had chance of knocking them down yet. 
Prefer to cut through them atm. 
I only think force abilities should be limited on the "greater" - boss like - opponents.

Think the only two ways to make it interesting is either NG+, as I mentioned before, as an additional reward. Because it will inspire people to try again
OR...
Make the bounty hunters and lightsaber armed enemies progressive. Separate from regular foes.
Meaning, generate new ones.
Jetpack enemy can be hit to remove jetpack, but can't be pulled or pushed once firmly on the ground.
If you used blaster and saber, maybe the enemy has a shield. You used crossguard? They are more agile.
Dual wield? Heavy weaponry... 

Basically, have their different feats and gadgets be in relation to the tools you previously used.

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:
@together60if a shield enemy is in a large group i usually just jump dash away and force yank it anyway, works like 90% of the time if i don't have blaster fire raining down on me, but then i prioritize that 🤷‍♂️ i didn't pick up a lightsaber to read, jack 😤
And I still disagree that it should be limited to NG+ with how immersion-saving having all stances would be, it'd be a huge benefit to new players. But as always, I'll take the update however they're willing to provide it even if it's only a NG+ reward.
Procedurally generating new bounty hunters and saber wielders sounds dope though; since they're adhering to the souls model of having to hit the enemy that killed you to get back your xp, i get why the enemies have to stay the where they are, but in FO every once in a while you'd get ambushed in wider open areas that didn't normally have enemies and it was super exciting, I'd love if they brought that back and if they adapted to whatever you've been using, but only if you can switch through all the styles too.

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Maybe you're not intended to be a jedi then, Suzy XD
Picked up the saber to be a sith lmao!

I think all at once would just be too much. Atleast with a few at a time you get used to them, find combos, rather than "hotwheeling" it.
Shows progress from rookie to mastery heh.

Regarding the bounty hunters

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:
@together60if i was this game isn't letting me with it's only two stance slots 🤷‍♂️ i think the only reason anyone think all of your stances is too much is that the game already forced only two on us. Ghost of Tsushima gives you 4 stances, Elden Ring gives you 6 weapons slots, and we've already established that the lightsabers hardly matter for balancing.
and the bounty hunter missions are great, but i mean they should appear randomly too because once you've finished them they don't show up again and it's fun to get ambushed by them instead of the same local enemies

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Frankly, the game may have similarities to Dark soul games, but combat in no way compares to it. Nor length, I think. So, first run limitations just seem most logical to me.
Reflects mastery Cal goes through then.

Yeah, is why I say... bounty hunters should be progressive and update continuously.
Well... bounty hunters and Dagan's amped up gang. Would be cool to see them reflect/respond to the styles you use.
Maybe the more you use specific force powers, the more resilient they respond to them aswell. 
There are some really neat things one could do with it. At that point, having all tools available to you, would actually matter quite abit.

@together60someone had a suggestion on reddit that i liked if people are still concerned about balance: just add more stance slots via the perks. if you make each additional stance worth two or three slots people would still strategize if they'd like an extra stance or a perk

plus i think the skill tree system is already a fine expression of Cal's mastery over time. It just makes more sense that if his lightsaber is built to do all of those things at once than he can at least attempt to and learn as he see fits, but then the skill points dictate how much better you are with one over the other

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:
@together60someone had a suggestion on reddit that i liked if people are still concerned about balance: just add more stance slots via the perks. if you make each additional stance worth two or three slots people would still strategize if they'd like an extra stance or a perk

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Slot?
You mean... the perks slots that give you extra block and stuff - right?

@together60yes, you sacrifice two to three perk slots, you get an extra stance or two instead of recovering more force over time or doing more block damage

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:

@together60yes, you sacrifice two to three perk slots, you get an extra stance or two instead of recovering more force over time or doing more block damage

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That might actually be a great intermediate.
Like... first run, sacrifice slots. Second run, no more slots needed, you get all just like that... go ham - go crazy. 

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:
@together60did ya do it? did ya call them? what did they say? 👀

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Lol, if I had the connection, alot would have been proposed already XD

@together60fair enough 🤷‍♂️ we found a little hope at least! the debug menu has a cycle option for the stances, so the game is technically capable of it, they just have to map it and iron out animation glitches like the crossguard vents disappearing. and also give us some kind of confirmation that they'll do it of course. i don't mind if it takes months to implement, but I have to know soon or I'm liable to buy the game again on PC just to use the wonky version :c

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:

@together60fair enough 🤷‍♂️ we found a little hope at least! the debug menu has a cycle option for the stances, so the game is technically capable of it, they just have to map it and iron out animation glitches like the crossguard vents disappearing. and also give us some kind of confirmation that they'll do it of course. i don't mind if it takes months to implement, but I have to know soon or I'm liable to buy the game again on PC just to use the wonky version :c

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There is already a mod out LMAO

@together60yep, it's almost perfect too, pretty much the only thing that's missing is direct mapping for the stances or some other kind of method for cycling through them; it apparently works pretty well if you're on KbM but people on Nexus are mostly making it work on controller with another 3rd party app that handles the mapping but it disables other button functionality unless you have a controller with extra buttons. If I didn't already have the game on PS5, I would definitely be trying it out myself, but I want to hold for EA/Respawn to do it themselves so I don't have to buy the game twice 😭

also, individual Lightsaber colors, please!

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@GunpeiYaBoi wrote:

@together60yep, it's almost perfect too, pretty much the only thing that's missing is direct mapping for the stances or some other kind of method for cycling through them; it apparently works pretty well if you're on KbM but people on Nexus are mostly making it work on controller with another 3rd party app that handles the mapping but it disables other button functionality unless you have a controller with extra buttons. If I didn't already have the game on PS5, I would definitely be trying it out myself, but I want to hold for EA/Respawn to do it themselves so I don't have to buy the game twice 😭

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I have the same with basic accessibility features. Such as the user interface keybinds that can't be altered. Now I gotta go through annoying - third party software - hoops to actually be able to somewhat play the game. It's why I can't be bothered to try the mod, fearing it'll mess it all up 😢
Hoping alot of mods from Jedi Fallen Order make their way over... and people find other stuff quickly too. Cause who knows IF and WHEN they'll add things like individual colors.

Am also surprise we don't have the battle arena... Would be nice to fight those saber bounty hunter/raider guys at will.