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"Ravens1113;c-2278462" wrote:

"Mephisto_style;c-2278437" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278056" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278050" wrote:

Steroids / performance enhancing drugs seem to have done the trick in the past.

Those things don't guarantee success. You still need talent even if you use illegal substances.
No matter how many I take I won't become the next Wayne Gretzky, Lionel Messi, Tony Hawk etc.
However if I (or you or anyone else) spend enough money I can become one of the top players in this game. It's even easier in other games.

You are so wrong about that. There have been numerous examples across multiple sports over the years where the #1 admitted to using illegal performance enhancers: Jose Canseco, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcquire, etc...
I can name more, but Mark McGwire is the most obvious example counterpoint. He had a 10 year career of above average before exploding performance-wise for another 5 years as a homerun superhero. Oh yeah, he also gained 40 pounds of muscle along with that boost. I guess he changed his diet.

All 3 of them have publicly admitted to their use of illegal enhancers and the effects they had. There are more examples of #1 athletes doing this and admitting it.

You. Are. Wrong.

I mean you’re taking an already pro player and making him better. If you or I did the same, we wouldn’t make it to the majors let alone be HoF. That’s more his point. Just saying lol

You still need strategy to succeed in SWGoH as well. You can spend thousands of dollars, but you aren’t guaranteed success, even more so if you don’t use strategy. Sure, you have a better chance at success if you spend, but F2Ps can still beat you.
To sum it up, even if you spend, you aren’t guaranteed success.

"Mephisto_style;c-2278437" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278056" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278050" wrote:

Steroids / performance enhancing drugs seem to have done the trick in the past.

Those things don't guarantee success. You still need talent even if you use illegal substances.
No matter how many I take I won't become the next Wayne Gretzky, Lionel Messi, Tony Hawk etc.
However if I (or you or anyone else) spend enough money I can become one of the top players in this game. It's even easier in other games.

You are so wrong about that. There have been numerous examples across multiple sports over the years where the #1 admitted to using illegal performance enhancers: Jose Canseco, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcquire, etc...
I can name more, but Mark McGwire is the most obvious example counterpoint. He had a 10 year career of above average before exploding performance-wise for another 5 years as a homerun superhero. Oh yeah, he also gained 40 pounds of muscle along with that boost. I guess he changed his diet.

All 3 of them have publicly admitted to their use of illegal enhancers and the effects they had. There are more examples of #1 athletes doing this and admitting it.

You. Are. Wrong.

Ravens1113 took words out of my mouth so I'm just going to quote him. Also illegal substances are banned - mictrotransactions are not.

"Ravens1113;c-2278462" wrote:

I mean you’re taking an already pro player and making him better. If you or I did the same, we wouldn’t make it to the majors let alone be HoF. That’s more his point. Just saying lol

"Drathuk916;c-2278438" wrote:
I get the pricing arguments but that was not the initial point brought up early. That was the nth level concern. His initial complaint had to do with selling an advantage and how to him it cheapens achievements and I believe pathetic was thrown around some way. Fair enough viewpoint if applied only to oneself. I’m not disagreeing that whales warp the economy and that is a point of concern.

I don’t really like your movie analogy but get your point. Reason I don’t like it is because whales don’t price you out of enjoying the game ftp. They price you out of accelerating your goals because the price is too high.

Which once again is a fair point but counter to the beginning of this tangent. Any advantage one could purchase was too much to him because an advantage should never be sold. But I just don’t see enough people willing to pay for skins with no gameplay benefit that it can make the game profitable.

I think I'm allowed to have more than one argument against certain topic.
Like I said - games are built around their monetization. Skins and stuff would not work in this game right now. However it works just fine in other games. Perhaps you have heard of Apex Legends or it's competition.

"Xcien;c-2278472" wrote:

"Ravens1113;c-2278462" wrote:

"Mephisto_style;c-2278437" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2278056" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2278050" wrote:

Steroids / performance enhancing drugs seem to have done the trick in the past.

Those things don't guarantee success. You still need talent even if you use illegal substances.
No matter how many I take I won't become the next Wayne Gretzky, Lionel Messi, Tony Hawk etc.
However if I (or you or anyone else) spend enough money I can become one of the top players in this game. It's even easier in other games.

You are so wrong about that. There have been numerous examples across multiple sports over the years where the #1 admitted to using illegal performance enhancers: Jose Canseco, Lance Armstrong, Mark Mcquire, etc...
I can name more, but Mark McGwire is the most obvious example counterpoint. He had a 10 year career of above average before exploding performance-wise for another 5 years as a homerun superhero. Oh yeah, he also gained 40 pounds of muscle along with that boost. I guess he changed his diet.

All 3 of them have publicly admitted to their use of illegal enhancers and the effects they had. There are more examples of #1 athletes doing this and admitting it.

You. Are. Wrong.

I mean you’re taking an already pro player and making him better. If you or I did the same, we wouldn’t make it to the majors let alone be HoF. That’s more his point. Just saying lol

You still need strategy to succeed in SWGoH as well. You can spend thousands of dollars, but you aren’t guaranteed success, even more so if you don’t use strategy. Sure, you have a better chance at success if you spend, but F2Ps can still beat you.
To sum it up, even if you spend, you aren’t guaranteed success.

I argued that it is incomparably easier to become successful in games like SWGoH than it is in sports. Kyno argued that since it's an analogy we should assume same natural ability for games and sports.
I shouldn't have used the word guaranteed. Several people already pointed that out and focused on that to counter my argument.

"Crayons;c-2277455" wrote:
Every game has a ptp and ptw element. You think other games just have skins?

They don’t sell unique weapons and equipment? In game currency packs for buying equipment others can’t afford? Faster levelling XP point packs that put you ahead of ftp?

I can’t understand your anger at people who fund a game you are playing for free.

What? Literally no game (serious game, WoW, FFXIV, BDO, etc is PTW. Any game that offers XP boosts such as WoWs catch up mechanics (boost to 58 as level cap is raised to 70 for example) is a catch up mechanic. A proper analogy would be if one of these AAA mmos put a specific class or weapons that outclassed everything else in the game behind a ridiculous pay wall (but your BiS gear on raid release for 999.99 or better yet your BiS Pvp gear at the beginning of an arena season! Lol). That doesn’t exist so please don’t infer as all games do this.

"Crayons;c-2277459" wrote:
Most people don’t mind. It’s been a part of the online side of gaming since it’s inception. When I started played WoW a very long time ago, I whaled on a bunch of XP packs. I had 4 usable raid characters in the time most would have 1.

Paying to get a leg up is part of MMO! It always has been.

I’ve played WoW from nov 24th 2004 until just recently 9.1 releasing. I also play TBC classic and other than their level boosts there has literally been no “XP” boosts. All of their level boosts came around the MoP/WoD time, are always pre next exp release for new players to catch up to current friends. So yea…

"Crayons;c-2277463" wrote:
And finally. Last of all, if you invest nothing in this game, do nothing to help it stay alive, why should you be at a level playing field as those who do?

How would you feel if your hard earned went in and someone who didn’t had the exact same stuff? What **** is this?

You realize you are LITERALLY saying your level of wealth makes you better than everyone else. How is that hard “earned” from a gaming standpoint? And this is exactly why real games don’t adopt this.

Your posts are pretty entitled and cringe actually.

None of my post was to, in any way, demean the system, or those spending money. Just making sure it’s called what it is.

"th3evo;c-2277370" wrote:
Kyno is right, we are all free-to-pay here.
I think buying an advantage in a game is kinda pathetic but to each their own.

This is your first comment on this thread. It certainly sets the tone.

As for apex legends. Never heard of it nor played it. Question on the cosmetics they do sell. Are they used purely to show ones own personal style or are the cosmetics ever used to help in camouflage or to make it easier for squad mates to identify their team members?

"Drathuk916;c-2278636" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2277370" wrote:
Kyno is right, we are all free-to-pay here.
I think buying an advantage in a game is kinda pathetic but to each their own.

This is your first comment on this thread. It certainly sets the tone.

As for apex legends. Never heard of it nor played it. Question on the cosmetics they do sell. Are they used purely to show ones own personal style or are the cosmetics ever used to help in camouflage or to make it easier for squad mates to identify their team members?

They are used purely to show one's personal style.

I don't think it is buying an advantage at all. I think you are simply compressing time when you spend money.

When you spend $$$, you are moving days/week/months further along. You are just buying stuff that would have taken longer to earn FTP. It would be an advantage if I spent $500 and played the same person tomorrow with my stronger roster. But I wont be playing the same person, I'll be playing someone slightly more advanced.

Spending the money has a net effect of 0 as far as advantage in battle goes, it just changes the tools with which you fight..

"Disruptor92;c-2278650" wrote:

"Drathuk916;c-2278636" wrote:

"th3evo;c-2277370" wrote:
Kyno is right, we are all free-to-pay here.
I think buying an advantage in a game is kinda pathetic but to each their own.

This is your first comment on this thread. It certainly sets the tone.

As for apex legends. Never heard of it nor played it. Question on the cosmetics they do sell. Are they used purely to show ones own personal style or are the cosmetics ever used to help in camouflage or to make it easier for squad mates to identify their team members?

They are used purely to show one's personal style.

I gathered that after doing some reading. It’s an interesting business model. One I’m not sure could work for swgoh. Even though they chose a business model that doesn’t sell advantages they still deal with complaints on their monetization. Which is odd to me.