15 Zeros.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588028" wrote:

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1588000" wrote:
Here is another related problem. As I understand it, if they are under the age of 13, or do not speak english, enforcing rules is almost impossible. Under 13, they do NOT see the chat. And if the do not speak english or w/e language is relevant, wht then? To bad so sad? Hardly fair.

You answered your own question. If they don't respond to the chat then you have little choice but to boot them. There are guilds that don't give a **** that can take them in. If you don't boot those that break the rules and don't fix themselves eventually you get in the situation the op is in where half the guild doesn't participate. Chat is a good feature to communicate expectations if a player ignores that then not much you can do but boot them. And non-english speakers can either use a translation software to stay in the know and follow rules or try and join a guild that has members that speak the same language but guild leaders can't keep people who ignore the chat just because they might not speak English.

All true. The guild system here is very rudimentary. It was added after launch if I recall correctly. But to be fair I haven't played a game yet that has a decent guild system.

"VonZant;c-1588407" wrote:
Yall are both right about participation. I dont agree with you on why though. Im sure we will never see numbers but Im certain Im right on the participation in the Nihilus phases across non-heroic guilds. Its a slog and causes non-participation at greater levels. Yes there are people that would not participate anyway. But the phase massive HP pool does not help. Oh well.

I'm not arguing that p1 doesn't suck. It does and the rewards aren't that great. But that doesn't realky matter. Either you want to be in a guild with full participation or you're ok with limited participation. That's a choice for you to make. They aren't going to change the raid since it appears to be wai. They may up the rewards but that is also out of our control. It really comes down to do you want the raid to take longer and let half the guild get the rewards for no effort? And power creep will eventually fix the issue you have. Then it'll be like haat pit where you don't care if people post a zero because it's done in 5 hours or less anyway.

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1588592" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588028" wrote:

"DuneSeaFarmer;c-1588000" wrote:
Here is another related problem. As I understand it, if they are under the age of 13, or do not speak english, enforcing rules is almost impossible. Under 13, they do NOT see the chat. And if the do not speak english or w/e language is relevant, wht then? To bad so sad? Hardly fair.

You answered your own question. If they don't respond to the chat then you have little choice but to boot them. There are guilds that don't give a **** that can take them in. If you don't boot those that break the rules and don't fix themselves eventually you get in the situation the op is in where half the guild doesn't participate. Chat is a good feature to communicate expectations if a player ignores that then not much you can do but boot them. And non-english speakers can either use a translation software to stay in the know and follow rules or try and join a guild that has members that speak the same language but guild leaders can't keep people who ignore the chat just because they might not speak English.

All true. The guild system here is very rudimentary. It was added after launch if I recall correctly. But to be fair I haven't played a game yet that has a decent guild system.

There's really not much the devs can do to fix those issues.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588339" wrote:
The raid is designed to require more participation that's why the health is so high. That keeps a few players from beating it while the rest of the guild posts zeros. It's working as intended. If you don't like the two options to make the raid go faster, the the only one left is to stop whinning and get used to the fact that you'll be pulling dead weight and taking forever to complete it. And if yoy pay close attention, most of those that don't play in the raid probably sign up for tw and set enough teams on defense to get rewards but likely don't participate to the point of actually helping you win. In fact I've seen several set random teams that just make you lose because they are **** teams.

Let's take Tier IV for example. It is "intended for": lvl 70 characters with gear lvl VIII, no omegas and no zetas.

Even if you have full participation of your guild, if you attack it with the "intended for" toons, it will take well over a month. Phase 1 alone would take weeks.

Is that really what they intended?

If it is, then after your month long grind the rewards you receive don't come anywhere close to the level of effort your guild put in.

I don't see how any of this is "working as intended".

At the very least they need to change the "intended for" labels, they are so far off it's not funny.

"Nitrogen;c-1588642" wrote:



At the very least they need to change the "intended for" labels, they are so far off it's not funny.

Not really when you think that the raid is designed for 50 people to complete over the course of several days. Tier 5 for example says g10. You can put damage on the board and have a good run at g10. Probably 500k a team or so. If you average that, that's 2.5 mil a day per person. With 50 people that is 125 mil a day. If I remember correctly, that woukd clear it in about 2 or 3 days which is how it's designed. But if you're trying to clear it with half the guild not participating you need much better teams to pull the weight of the anchors. But the req listed assume full participation.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588649" wrote:

"Nitrogen;c-1588642" wrote:



At the very least they need to change the "intended for" labels, they are so far off it's not funny.

Not really when you think that the raid is designed for 50 people to complete over the course of several days. Tier 5 for example says g10. You can put damage on the board and have a good run at g10. Probably 500k a team or so. If you average that, that's 2.5 mil a day per person. With 50 people that is 125 mil a day. If I remember correctly, that woukd clear it in about 2 or 3 days which is how it's designed. But if you're trying to clear it with half the guild not participating you need much better teams to pull the weight of the anchors. But the req listed assume full participation.

Look at tier IV, if you really took toons at lvl 70, gear VII, with no omegas (or zetas) and no mods, it would take a guild of 50 weeks to get through just phase 1.

"Nitrogen;c-1588816" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1588649" wrote:

"Nitrogen;c-1588642" wrote:



At the very least they need to change the "intended for" labels, they are so far off it's not funny.

Not really when you think that the raid is designed for 50 people to complete over the course of several days. Tier 5 for example says g10. You can put damage on the board and have a good run at g10. Probably 500k a team or so. If you average that, that's 2.5 mil a day per person. With 50 people that is 125 mil a day. If I remember correctly, that woukd clear it in about 2 or 3 days which is how it's designed. But if you're trying to clear it with half the guild not participating you need much better teams to pull the weight of the anchors. But the req listed assume full participation.

Look at tier IV, if you really took toons at lvl 70, gear VII, with no omegas (or zetas) and no mods, it would take a guild of 50 weeks to get through just phase 1.

I doubt that. The defense is not that high on t4. It's pretty easy to get to enrage if you know the mechanics of the raid. Granted you won't get 2 mil a team at level 70 even at 100k a team, which is probably achievable with that low of a team, that's 25mil a day so p1 would take about 2 days since I think the health is around 45 mil. That makes the raid take about a week. P1 and 4 are slowest. P2 and 3 usually take half the time as p1. So that would be 2 days for p1 a day for p2 a day for p3 and 2 days for p4. That's 6 days if everyone plays and does crappy dmg. The reason p2 and 3 would go twice as fast is because the damage is typically more since they are easier. Though hard to actually test don't have many lvl 70 toons.

It doesn't seem like it makes much progress at 100k per team since that's only .2% per team but with 5 teams and 50 people it adds up.

Any active participants over 1M GP, PM me and you can come to a big boy guild.