3v3 territory war?
Anyone else notice the last TW in May is listed as 3v3? That should be.... interesting.
Forum Discussion
"Kokie;c-1852046" wrote:
"Gorem;c-1851808" wrote:
3v3 is an interesting idea, however in this game it doesn't really work at all. There is so many factors in play that organising 50 people is going to be a nightmare.
Making it near impossible to really make it a competitive environment. All zones are most likely going to have more placements too, so there might likely be a zone with like 40+ DR squads that make you just quit. It doesn't take a genius to know that 3v3 tw is a bad idea, in fact a child could tell if the child had any common sense or read the actual constructive posts in this thread alone, unlike the people who just post "I like 3v3" as a pointless post or a post that actually personally attacks the people trying to be constructive."Kokie;c-1851740" wrote:
It's because internal data shows them the large majority of players prefer 3v3. The handful of vocal voices on the forum hardly are representative of the hundreds of thousands of players.
Exactly how does internal data show that people like it? has their been an in game survey? is this determined by 3v3 participation in GA? Are people (for some unknown reason) not signing up to GA just because its 5v5 and purposely missing out on rewards to only sign up for 3v3?
So when thousands. and I mean THOUSANDS of posts from individuals, all who play this game, including the thousands upon tens of thousands of reddit posts, all say tw banning was a bad idea and they go ahead with it anyway, just means nothing at all? Surely Only the people against it spoke out and everyone for it didn't, surely when I asked my guild and they all said they hated it but I was the only one posting in public, surely that doesn't mean anything, right?
No matter what we say, our feedback has never mattered. That's the truth. There is no "internal data" showing people "Like" 3v3, There is no "large majority" there is no need to lie like the devs do. Which then gets another lie post replying to you. 3v3 TW is going to happen even if a million people posted disgust at the idea, even if it caused the game to die forever it would still come out.
We are posting ideas as to try and help this situation, right now DR/Malak teams are breaking 3v3 because unless you mirror them, you have to throw everything at them to beat them. There needs to be changes made to the 3v3 format to prevent broken defence teams. Or more thought needs to be put into it before we have a 3v3 tw. Or just cancel it and do it right and do a 5v5 so we can actually have competitive fights without droids that decide to die on the first turn while doing nothing.
You just showed you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact so many GA's are 3v3 proves their internal data is telling them more people prefer this matchup. Companies dont make random decisions....they are all based on data and hard numbers. You can say what you will but this game generates massive amounts of money and they are not going to purposely alienate large portions of the player base.
ummm I'll bet you a ban-war that you're wrong....- Sounds like guild with most dr/malak instant win to me. Another awesome move by the CG brain trust
"Rath_Tarr;c-1851356" wrote:
"Morgoth_Lives;c-1851341" wrote:
"keiths9216;c-1851295" wrote:
We've had so much 3v3 practice in GA. Does this community seriously not know how to do it yet? 3v3 is nothing new already. I know which teams are better on D and which are better on O...just transfer those ideas and methods to TW.
And in a guild setting how will you beat 50 DR/MALAK/DSBS teams? Even with faster mods there is an RNG element to this matchup in 1 vs 1 GA settings. Magnify this to 50 and it is ridiculous.
Elite guilds are struggling with the 5s version of the DR/Malak team. No one is clearing these walls clean.
Welcome back to the same reality as us mere mortals. :D
The elite guilds are the ones who have a higher proportion of spenders and fund the game for you mere mortals. Just because you're not at a point where you have endgame problems, doesn't mean you should dismiss them. If you persist with the game long enough you'll get there and be in the same boat."Kokie;c-1852057" wrote:
"Jaxom;c-1852047" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852046" wrote:
"Gorem;c-1851808" wrote:
3v3 is an interesting idea, however in this game it doesn't really work at all. There is so many factors in play that organising 50 people is going to be a nightmare.
Making it near impossible to really make it a competitive environment. All zones are most likely going to have more placements too, so there might likely be a zone with like 40+ DR squads that make you just quit. It doesn't take a genius to know that 3v3 tw is a bad idea, in fact a child could tell if the child had any common sense or read the actual constructive posts in this thread alone, unlike the people who just post "I like 3v3" as a pointless post or a post that actually personally attacks the people trying to be constructive."Kokie;c-1851740" wrote:
It's because internal data shows them the large majority of players prefer 3v3. The handful of vocal voices on the forum hardly are representative of the hundreds of thousands of players.
Exactly how does internal data show that people like it? has their been an in game survey? is this determined by 3v3 participation in GA? Are people (for some unknown reason) not signing up to GA just because its 5v5 and purposely missing out on rewards to only sign up for 3v3?
So when thousands. and I mean THOUSANDS of posts from individuals, all who play this game, including the thousands upon tens of thousands of reddit posts, all say tw banning was a bad idea and they go ahead with it anyway, just means nothing at all? Surely Only the people against it spoke out and everyone for it didn't, surely when I asked my guild and they all said they hated it but I was the only one posting in public, surely that doesn't mean anything, right?
No matter what we say, our feedback has never mattered. That's the truth. There is no "internal data" showing people "Like" 3v3, There is no "large majority" there is no need to lie like the devs do. Which then gets another lie post replying to you. 3v3 TW is going to happen even if a million people posted disgust at the idea, even if it caused the game to die forever it would still come out.
We are posting ideas as to try and help this situation, right now DR/Malak teams are breaking 3v3 because unless you mirror them, you have to throw everything at them to beat them. There needs to be changes made to the 3v3 format to prevent broken defence teams. Or more thought needs to be put into it before we have a 3v3 tw. Or just cancel it and do it right and do a 5v5 so we can actually have competitive fights without droids that decide to die on the first turn while doing nothing.
You just showed you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact so many GA's are 3v3 proves their internal data is telling them more people prefer this matchup. Companies dont make random decisions....they are all based on data and hard numbers. You can say what you will but this game generates massive amounts of money and they are not going to purposely alienate large portions of the player base.
ummm I'll bet you a ban-war that you're wrong....
You can bet all you want but do you really think anything is just random in this game? CG is built to make a profit and there are people smarter than us pulling the strings. I'm simply tired of people saying most players hate x and love y when those claims are based on personal bias.
CG have proven time and time again they don't care about player feedback. If they are looking at hard numbers than they are looking at the wrong ones. I know people in most of the top 20 guilds, I couldn't name 5 of them that are happy with the state of the game."Kokie;c-1852057" wrote:
"Jaxom;c-1852047" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852046" wrote:
"Gorem;c-1851808" wrote:
3v3 is an interesting idea, however in this game it doesn't really work at all. There is so many factors in play that organising 50 people is going to be a nightmare.
Making it near impossible to really make it a competitive environment. All zones are most likely going to have more placements too, so there might likely be a zone with like 40+ DR squads that make you just quit. It doesn't take a genius to know that 3v3 tw is a bad idea, in fact a child could tell if the child had any common sense or read the actual constructive posts in this thread alone, unlike the people who just post "I like 3v3" as a pointless post or a post that actually personally attacks the people trying to be constructive."Kokie;c-1851740" wrote:
It's because internal data shows them the large majority of players prefer 3v3. The handful of vocal voices on the forum hardly are representative of the hundreds of thousands of players.
Exactly how does internal data show that people like it? has their been an in game survey? is this determined by 3v3 participation in GA? Are people (for some unknown reason) not signing up to GA just because its 5v5 and purposely missing out on rewards to only sign up for 3v3?
So when thousands. and I mean THOUSANDS of posts from individuals, all who play this game, including the thousands upon tens of thousands of reddit posts, all say tw banning was a bad idea and they go ahead with it anyway, just means nothing at all? Surely Only the people against it spoke out and everyone for it didn't, surely when I asked my guild and they all said they hated it but I was the only one posting in public, surely that doesn't mean anything, right?
No matter what we say, our feedback has never mattered. That's the truth. There is no "internal data" showing people "Like" 3v3, There is no "large majority" there is no need to lie like the devs do. Which then gets another lie post replying to you. 3v3 TW is going to happen even if a million people posted disgust at the idea, even if it caused the game to die forever it would still come out.
We are posting ideas as to try and help this situation, right now DR/Malak teams are breaking 3v3 because unless you mirror them, you have to throw everything at them to beat them. There needs to be changes made to the 3v3 format to prevent broken defence teams. Or more thought needs to be put into it before we have a 3v3 tw. Or just cancel it and do it right and do a 5v5 so we can actually have competitive fights without droids that decide to die on the first turn while doing nothing.
You just showed you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact so many GA's are 3v3 proves their internal data is telling them more people prefer this matchup. Companies dont make random decisions....they are all based on data and hard numbers. You can say what you will but this game generates massive amounts of money and they are not going to purposely alienate large portions of the player base.
ummm I'll bet you a ban-war that you're wrong....
You can bet all you want but do you really think anything is just random in this game? CG is built to make a profit and there are people smarter than us pulling the strings. I'm simply tired of people saying most players hate x and love y when those claims are based on personal bias.
No, their decisions aren't random. But they can be wrong nevertheless. They should stick with the squad size that characters were optimized for. 3v3 TW is a bad idea, IMHO.- We need to up the ante: 7-man teams, and each leader has a unique, faction-specific bonus! Also, lots of undispellable, unresistable buffs, debuffs, turn meter gain/removal, immunity to turn gain/removal, bonus turns, turn skips, shared cool downs, permanent kills, unlimited resurrections, immunity to death, killing the other team by dying, calling in reinforcements from your opponent's roster, and, most importantly, MOAR HANS!
"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1852085" wrote:
We need to up the ante: 7-man teams, and each leader has a unique, faction-specific bonus! Also, lots of undispellable, unresistable buffs, debuffs, turn meter gain/removal, immunity to turn gain/removal, bonus turns, turn skips, shared cool downs, permanent kills, unlimited resurrections, immunity to death, killing the other team by dying, calling in reinforcements from your opponent's roster, and, most importantly, MOAR HANS!
Wow...better take that down before they ban you for revealing RotJ Luke's kit."APX_919;c-1852088" wrote:
"Skylicus;c-1852077" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852057" wrote:
"Jaxom;c-1852047" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852046" wrote:
"Gorem;c-1851808" wrote:
3v3 is an interesting idea, however in this game it doesn't really work at all. There is so many factors in play that organising 50 people is going to be a nightmare.
Making it near impossible to really make it a competitive environment. All zones are most likely going to have more placements too, so there might likely be a zone with like 40+ DR squads that make you just quit. It doesn't take a genius to know that 3v3 tw is a bad idea, in fact a child could tell if the child had any common sense or read the actual constructive posts in this thread alone, unlike the people who just post "I like 3v3" as a pointless post or a post that actually personally attacks the people trying to be constructive."Kokie;c-1851740" wrote:
It's because internal data shows them the large majority of players prefer 3v3. The handful of vocal voices on the forum hardly are representative of the hundreds of thousands of players.
Exactly how does internal data show that people like it? has their been an in game survey? is this determined by 3v3 participation in GA? Are people (for some unknown reason) not signing up to GA just because its 5v5 and purposely missing out on rewards to only sign up for 3v3?
So when thousands. and I mean THOUSANDS of posts from individuals, all who play this game, including the thousands upon tens of thousands of reddit posts, all say tw banning was a bad idea and they go ahead with it anyway, just means nothing at all? Surely Only the people against it spoke out and everyone for it didn't, surely when I asked my guild and they all said they hated it but I was the only one posting in public, surely that doesn't mean anything, right?
No matter what we say, our feedback has never mattered. That's the truth. There is no "internal data" showing people "Like" 3v3, There is no "large majority" there is no need to lie like the devs do. Which then gets another lie post replying to you. 3v3 TW is going to happen even if a million people posted disgust at the idea, even if it caused the game to die forever it would still come out.
We are posting ideas as to try and help this situation, right now DR/Malak teams are breaking 3v3 because unless you mirror them, you have to throw everything at them to beat them. There needs to be changes made to the 3v3 format to prevent broken defence teams. Or more thought needs to be put into it before we have a 3v3 tw. Or just cancel it and do it right and do a 5v5 so we can actually have competitive fights without droids that decide to die on the first turn while doing nothing.
You just showed you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact so many GA's are 3v3 proves their internal data is telling them more people prefer this matchup. Companies dont make random decisions....they are all based on data and hard numbers. You can say what you will but this game generates massive amounts of money and they are not going to purposely alienate large portions of the player base.
ummm I'll bet you a ban-war that you're wrong....
You can bet all you want but do you really think anything is just random in this game? CG is built to make a profit and there are people smarter than us pulling the strings. I'm simply tired of people saying most players hate x and love y when those claims are based on personal bias.
CG have proven time and time again they don't care about player feedback. If they are looking at hard numbers than they are looking at the wrong ones. I know people in most of the top 20 guilds, I couldn't name 5 of them that are happy with the state of the game.
You seem to be confusing "care" with "do as I say because I say it". They clearly care else the game would end today but if what you seek/desire doesn't fit into their metrics or long term plans they can't implement it at the time you wish or perhaps not at all.
No, I mean care. They have shown they don't give a rats hind parts what the community wants/likes/cares about in the game. I'm not saying they don't care about the game, of course they do. It makes them money, and their decisions are based around making more money. I have no issues with them making money- but they have been very blatant (especially in the last year) in ignoring the playerbase in how they are choosing to do that. You may see it differently but that seems very short sighted to me."Skylicus;c-1852093" wrote:
"APX_919;c-1852088" wrote:
"Skylicus;c-1852077" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852057" wrote:
"Jaxom;c-1852047" wrote:
"Kokie;c-1852046" wrote:
"Gorem;c-1851808" wrote:
3v3 is an interesting idea, however in this game it doesn't really work at all. There is so many factors in play that organising 50 people is going to be a nightmare.
Making it near impossible to really make it a competitive environment. All zones are most likely going to have more placements too, so there might likely be a zone with like 40+ DR squads that make you just quit. It doesn't take a genius to know that 3v3 tw is a bad idea, in fact a child could tell if the child had any common sense or read the actual constructive posts in this thread alone, unlike the people who just post "I like 3v3" as a pointless post or a post that actually personally attacks the people trying to be constructive."Kokie;c-1851740" wrote:
It's because internal data shows them the large majority of players prefer 3v3. The handful of vocal voices on the forum hardly are representative of the hundreds of thousands of players.
Exactly how does internal data show that people like it? has their been an in game survey? is this determined by 3v3 participation in GA? Are people (for some unknown reason) not signing up to GA just because its 5v5 and purposely missing out on rewards to only sign up for 3v3?
So when thousands. and I mean THOUSANDS of posts from individuals, all who play this game, including the thousands upon tens of thousands of reddit posts, all say tw banning was a bad idea and they go ahead with it anyway, just means nothing at all? Surely Only the people against it spoke out and everyone for it didn't, surely when I asked my guild and they all said they hated it but I was the only one posting in public, surely that doesn't mean anything, right?
No matter what we say, our feedback has never mattered. That's the truth. There is no "internal data" showing people "Like" 3v3, There is no "large majority" there is no need to lie like the devs do. Which then gets another lie post replying to you. 3v3 TW is going to happen even if a million people posted disgust at the idea, even if it caused the game to die forever it would still come out.
We are posting ideas as to try and help this situation, right now DR/Malak teams are breaking 3v3 because unless you mirror them, you have to throw everything at them to beat them. There needs to be changes made to the 3v3 format to prevent broken defence teams. Or more thought needs to be put into it before we have a 3v3 tw. Or just cancel it and do it right and do a 5v5 so we can actually have competitive fights without droids that decide to die on the first turn while doing nothing.
You just showed you have no idea what you are talking about. The fact so many GA's are 3v3 proves their internal data is telling them more people prefer this matchup. Companies dont make random decisions....they are all based on data and hard numbers. You can say what you will but this game generates massive amounts of money and they are not going to purposely alienate large portions of the player base.
ummm I'll bet you a ban-war that you're wrong....
You can bet all you want but do you really think anything is just random in this game? CG is built to make a profit and there are people smarter than us pulling the strings. I'm simply tired of people saying most players hate x and love y when those claims are based on personal bias.
CG have proven time and time again they don't care about player feedback. If they are looking at hard numbers than they are looking at the wrong ones. I know people in most of the top 20 guilds, I couldn't name 5 of them that are happy with the state of the game.
You seem to be confusing "care" with "do as I say because I say it". They clearly care else the game would end today but if what you seek/desire doesn't fit into their metrics or long term plans they can't implement it at the time you wish or perhaps not at all.
No, I mean care. They have shown they don't give a rats hind parts what the community wants/likes/cares about in the game. I'm not saying they don't care about the game, of course they do. It makes them money, and their decisions are based around making more money. I have no issues with them making money- but they have been very blatant (especially in the last year) in ignoring the playerbase in how they are choosing to do that. You may see it differently but that seems very short sighted to me.
Thank you for the clarification and I admit I agree with the short sightedness issue, too much is rushed these days with too little care for testing for gamebreaking bugs.- I understand the complaints, but I'm super excited for the 3v3 TW. It'll be fun.
Even the fun bonuses that my guild completely botches and leads to a defeat, those are still fun because they're different and we still get 2 zetas at the end of the day. It's refreshing to see what everybody comes up with and 3v3 will be a chance to see that again.
