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EliteEngineer99's avatar
8 years ago

Are people pretending to not see a real problem in the PVP arena?

People have found a way to exploit poor design, and rule the arena with garbage squads. How can the arena be competitive when you can have 50 people from the same guild into a single arena shard. In my shard, there are 9 people in top 20 from the same guild. So, basically they protect each other, and rule the arena for months. You can fight, but you can't win, so what is the point?

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  • I’d really love to see CG put out another survey about which part of the game players find least and most enjoyable. I’d wager that after the GW sim fix, arena would handedly win the title of least fun aspect of the game by the player base.
  • "leef;c-1538314" wrote:
    right, so you're too noob to be affected by any form of collusion, yet you're here telling everyone who wants to hear it that there is no competetion.
    "xeynx;c-1538299" wrote:

    Just because I, myself, do not whale and have a strong enough squad to get into the top 50 is not evidence of competition. It is purely a function of 1) Gear level, 2) Mods, 3) TM luck, 4) care level.

    right, so because others are better players (or spend more money) it's not competition? Seems to me that is exactly what makes it a competition.
    You seem to be under the impression this is a game of skill, but it's not, it's a resource management game.


    Lol, this is probably one of the most simplistic "resource management" games I've ever played. If you've played an MMO, those are resource management games. This is a pay to win game, nothing more, nothing else. It's meant to be that way. It just happens to offer a better "free" play than a lot of games, but it does nothing "ground breaking" than any other pay to win mobile game.

    This is basic, spend money = more energy = more sims = progress faster.

    Calling someone a "noob", which really is a lowbrow version of "newbie", does nothing to facilitate good conversation. Personal attacks are just a deflection because they do not coincide with your opinion. (Also note, that being in the top 100 puts me in the top 1% of my shard, not sure how that qualifies me as a "noob".)

    Furthermore, since you're not a part of my shard, you really have zero evidence that there isn't any collusion at my ranking. There very well may be another shard chat I'm not a part of for my shard that does in fact "collude" around the 100 rank.

    I don't mind that your opinion is that there is a plethora of competition. My opinion differs from that. Based on my time playing, discussions with day one players, discussions in my shard chat, I disagree at the amount of competition that truly exists, and the level of response from the devs in that regard.
  • "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    There very well may be another shard chat I'm not a part of for my shard that does in fact "collude" around the 100 rank.

    lmao
    For the record, i did call you a noob/newbie because you're not progressed enough to be able to compete for top ranks. Also because you're claiming there isn't enough competition, but you can't even rank high yourself. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, i'm however willing to imply it's somewhat unfounded. Granted, i could have said it in a nicer way.
  • "leef;c-1538438" wrote:
    "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    There very well may be another shard chat I'm not a part of for my shard that does in fact "collude" around the 100 rank.

    lmao
    For the record, i did call you a noob/newbie because you're not progressed enough to be able to compete for top ranks. Also because you're claiming there isn't enough competition, but you can't even rank high yourself. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, i'm however willing to imply it's somewhat unfounded. Granted, i could have said it in a nicer way.


    @xeynx laid out his argument very clearly and concisely actually. You’re just creating a straw man out of his argument and trying to undermine his opinion based on his Arena rank.
  • "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    "leef;c-1538314" wrote:
    right, so you're too noob to be affected by any form of collusion, yet you're here telling everyone who wants to hear it that there is no competetion.
    "xeynx;c-1538299" wrote:

    Just because I, myself, do not whale and have a strong enough squad to get into the top 50 is not evidence of competition. It is purely a function of 1) Gear level, 2) Mods, 3) TM luck, 4) care level.

    right, so because others are better players (or spend more money) it's not competition? Seems to me that is exactly what makes it a competition.
    You seem to be under the impression this is a game of skill, but it's not, it's a resource management game.


    Lol, this is probably one of the most simplistic "resource management" games I've ever played. If you've played an MMO, those are resource management games. This is a pay to win game, nothing more, nothing else.


    You do realize there's technically no way to win this game, right?

    Or more accurately, there's many ways to win and it's defined differently by different people. You clearly think you win by reaching #1 in arena, but there's far more to the game than that. And guess what, you can succeed at every other single game mode here without ever sniffing the top 200 of either arena, or paying a singe cent. The only tradeoff is that it takes you longer.

    Why people don't understand this is beyond me.
  • "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    "leef;c-1538314" wrote:
    right, so you're too noob to be affected by any form of collusion, yet you're here telling everyone who wants to hear it that there is no competetion.
    "xeynx;c-1538299" wrote:

    Just because I, myself, do not whale and have a strong enough squad to get into the top 50 is not evidence of competition. It is purely a function of 1) Gear level, 2) Mods, 3) TM luck, 4) care level.

    right, so because others are better players (or spend more money) it's not competition? Seems to me that is exactly what makes it a competition.
    You seem to be under the impression this is a game of skill, but it's not, it's a resource management game.


    Lol, this is probably one of the most simplistic "resource management" games I've ever played. If you've played an MMO, those are resource management games. This is a pay to win game, nothing more, nothing else. It's meant to be that way. It just happens to offer a better "free" play than a lot of games, but it does nothing "ground breaking" than any other pay to win mobile game.

    This is basic, spend money = more energy = more sims = progress faster.


    This is basic knowledge:
    Spend your resources 'wisely' consistently => progress faster and reach top ranks.
    You can reach rank 1 in both arenas and have the hardest raid on farm without spending a dime as long as you spent your resources wisely over a long enough period of time. Even if you spend a lot of money on the game you are not guaranteed to rank higher than non—spenders and you could be unable to farm the hardest raid in the game. Spending money will get you nowhere if you don't at the same time manage your resources well.

    Ergo: Resource management rather than p2w.

    Yes, you may think it's a simple game, which brings nothing new to the table, but that's a different subject.



  • "Waqui;c-1539011" wrote:
    "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    "leef;c-1538314" wrote:
    right, so you're too noob to be affected by any form of collusion, yet you're here telling everyone who wants to hear it that there is no competetion.
    "xeynx;c-1538299" wrote:

    Just because I, myself, do not whale and have a strong enough squad to get into the top 50 is not evidence of competition. It is purely a function of 1) Gear level, 2) Mods, 3) TM luck, 4) care level.

    right, so because others are better players (or spend more money) it's not competition? Seems to me that is exactly what makes it a competition.
    You seem to be under the impression this is a game of skill, but it's not, it's a resource management game.


    Lol, this is probably one of the most simplistic "resource management" games I've ever played. If you've played an MMO, those are resource management games. This is a pay to win game, nothing more, nothing else. It's meant to be that way. It just happens to offer a better "free" play than a lot of games, but it does nothing "ground breaking" than any other pay to win mobile game.

    This is basic, spend money = more energy = more sims = progress faster.


    This is basic knowledge:
    Spend your resources 'wisely' consistently => progress faster and reach top ranks.
    You can reach rank 1 in both arenas and have the hardest raid on farm without spending a dime as long as you spent your resources wisely over a long enough period of time. Even if you spend a lot of money on the game you are not guaranteed to rank higher than non—spenders and you could be unable to farm the hardest raid in the game. Spending money will get you nowhere if you don't at the same time manage your resources well.

    Ergo: Resource management rather than p2w.

    Yes, you may think it's a simple game, which brings nothing new to the table, but that's a different subject.


    I agree with what you're saying. Yes, it is a simple resource management game. That is not to take away from how enjoyable the game is. I can get behind your assertion, but perhaps modify it. I'll agree it's not p2w because, like an MMO, there really isn't a "win". Let's rephrase to pay-for-shortcuts/expediency.

    I also agree with you that if you do things that may not be as helpful, even spending money, your progress could be hampered (depending on what your goals are.) And that it is feasible to reach #1 with enough time, good management, etc.

    Back to the true argument here, which is that the arena really isn't that "great". It's not the "worst" in the world, but I think a number of people, myself included, see where there could be improvement that might either 1) make it more enjoyable, or 2) less of a defining factor for the entirety of the game.

    I don't mind it being a piece, but as it is now, it's the main source of crystals, therefore it carries more weight than the other components.

    In response to @TVF, no, I do not believe that reaching #1 in arena = win. As mentioned above, I treat the progression in a similar fashion to MMOs. There really isn't a "win" other than what the individual believes to be winning for them. The problematic aspect is how much importance the arena carries in the game and what improvements could be made. Colluding (at any rank, regardless if it's the top 10, 20, 50, or 1,000) isn't "competition" per se.

    As even @leef mentioned in an earlier post, he'd rather do GW multiple times than deal with some of the not as good aspects of the arena (sniping, etc.)... (Paraphrasing here, sorry if it's not the exact quote @leef.)

    I'm not complaining about the existence of the arena, I'm advocating for improvements, or changes that can be beneficial for the general populous, not just the "top". There have been a lot of good ideas proposed by different people that could work, or maybe with changes, could improve the current iteration.
  • Why like CG the Arena Mafia? They really should stop this, its a big Advantage for Mafia Player
  • "xeynx;c-1538391" wrote:
    "leef;c-1538314" wrote:
    right, so you're too noob to be affected by any form of collusion, yet you're here telling everyone who wants to hear it that there is no competetion.
    "xeynx;c-1538299" wrote:

    Just because I, myself, do not whale and have a strong enough squad to get into the top 50 is not evidence of competition. It is purely a function of 1) Gear level, 2) Mods, 3) TM luck, 4) care level.

    right, so because others are better players (or spend more money) it's not competition? Seems to me that is exactly what makes it a competition.
    You seem to be under the impression this is a game of skill, but it's not, it's a resource management game.


    Lol, this is probably one of the most simplistic "resource management" games I've ever played. If you've played an MMO, those are resource management games. This is a pay to win game, nothing more, nothing else


    Played enuf MMO's in my time, from DAoC to ShadowBane to WoW to Warhammer Online.

    They r all the same as this. It's time invested, it's managing resources, it is ALSO stepping outside the game to purchase gold, items, power-leveling w/ real currency the same way u can buy crystals, characters and mods here. All the same really.

    Except, I don't have to deal w/ Chinese farmers ganking me when I enter a zone to farm rare/expensive mats


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