Armorer kit reveal?
Armorer kit reveal? 🤔
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"Iy4oy4s;c-2216134" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216129" wrote:
"Shuster123;c-2216127" wrote:
yeah but the he's is a clone and not a mandalorian by birth
Jango was a foundling, he wasn’t Mandalorian by birth. But Boba is his son, clone or not. So if Boba doesn’t count, neither would Mando’s kid if he ever had one.
By this logic, all the clones should get mando tags then.
Boba is different from the other clones. Biologically they are all clones, but Boba is Jango’s son. It’s one of the many ways that George Lucas puts an emphasis on family and its many forms."Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Then why did Jango get the tag? He could be a foundling, but it didn’t look like he was actively following the creed of any Mandalorian group. If it was the same extremist group that Mando is a part of, then Jango would have shown he wasn’t following the creed the minute he removed his mask. I think that if one of them gets the tag, they both should. No offense intended Kyno, but I think that Mandalorians function differently than engineers in the sense that it’s part of your identity, not your profession. If it was part of your profession, it would probably limit Jango and Mando from being bounty hunters.
But you’re right, this probably will spawn lots of debate, as both sides have an argument to make."Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows."Chucko_marek;c-2216150" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
IIRC, they said that Mando, Ahsoka and Boba will all converge at one point in the future. So with independent shows, I doubt they will interact much, if not at all until that point.
I dunno, I see them maybe getting the Chicago Med/fire/PD treatment. Crossovers are all the rage."Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was."LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.
No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.
I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.- Fair enough @Kyno
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216134" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216129" wrote:
"Shuster123;c-2216127" wrote:
yeah but the he's is a clone and not a mandalorian by birth
Jango was a foundling, he wasn’t Mandalorian by birth. But Boba is his son, clone or not. So if Boba doesn’t count, neither would Mando’s kid if he ever had one.
By this logic, all the clones should get mando tags then.
No, they werent trained as mandolorians.
They were trained as soldiers and were altered to be compliant to orders (not to mention chipped for order 66).
So ill give you geneticly they are equal to jango... they are not jango nor were they raised by jango in the way boba was"Kyno;c-2216196" wrote:
Jango was a foundling who presumably followed learned the creed, and followed that when he was a part of it as part of his belief or "who he was" at least at some point. Boba did not, or maybe I'm wrong on that, but his commitment seemed to be to himself and his life in the underworld he was a part of.
My point about the engineering is that learning the knowledge vs showing commitment to the path are different things.
Bad analogy on a few levels.
Engineering is a skill. Its akin to a mandolorian armor learning how to smelt beskar.
That doesnt make them mandolorian.... it does make them an armorer in feudal system though. But lets not go there.
As to Boba's childhood. Hes taught a bunch of stuff by Jango but it stops when Mace Windu shows what a keeper of peace for the republic looks like....
What Boba would have been or could have been, we will never know. But clearly Jango was one and then became a bounty hunter.... he didnt seem concerned with mandolor or any code. The version of Jango in game is well after he leaves mandolor and is eatablished as a top Bounty Hunter
So why he gets one and Boba doesnt.... thats a bit odd.
Lets go one further. Sabine isnt much of a mandolorian until the end of Rebels but she gets it?"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:
"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:
"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:
"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:
"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?
I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.
On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.
Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.
But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.
I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.
I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.
So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.
Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.
But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.
Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.
No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.
I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.
Where did he get the green kyber crystal?
He did build his own lightsaber at some point before he went to Jabba’s palace. That was part of the training.
And Yoda did say that Luke will become a Jedi after confronting his daddy.
