Armorer kit reveal?

"ShaggyB;c-2216312" wrote:
I still disagree.

Living the life isnt simply enough either.

Did all of mandolore stop being mandolorians when they became peaceful and stopped doing the old ways?

What of foundlings that suddenly just became citizens in the city instead of soldiers?

Its more than just living the life too.

To deathwatch, yes they kind of did.

It depends when that became part of the creed, but foundlings didnt live on mandalore, but if they were raised a Mandalorian, then I could see them still adopting the title of a Mandalorian even if they stopped being a "soldier", because it's more than just being a soldier.

Except Boba openly admitted to being a mandalorian to Din to show the armour was his by right. To which Din accepted openly and recognized his rights to the armour. The armour that he had literally just taken from a man because he wasn't a mandalorian. But apparently to CG a flippant throwaway retort to Bo Katan for a snarky comment has greater authority than a scene played absolutely seriously and with evidence.

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?

I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.

On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.

Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.

But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.

I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.

I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.

So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.

Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.

But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.

Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.

No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.

I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.

Luke’s trial was facing Darth Vader
Luke created his light saber after going through Old Bens place.
Luke read many texts in Bens place and found the Jedi Texts

So who was the Jedi in RotJ? He even declares it himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ayT0EZwbks

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?

I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.

On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.

Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.

But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.

I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.

I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.

So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.

Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.

But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.

Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.

No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.

I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.

“No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.”
Yoda

Luke did create a lightsaber in Old Bens hut. That is why it is green in RotJ. Btw, he was the Jedi in the movie ;)

"Gouj4;c-2216328" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2216283" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216196" wrote:


Jango was a foundling who presumably followed learned the creed, and followed that when he was a part of it as part of his belief or "who he was" at least at some point. Boba did not, or maybe I'm wrong on that, but his commitment seemed to be to himself and his life in the underworld he was a part of.

My point about the engineering is that learning the knowledge vs showing commitment to the path are different things.

Lets go one further. Sabine isnt much of a mandolorian until the end of Rebels but she gets it?

How is Sabine not much of a mandalorian ??. She grew up in one of the main clans on mandalore, it’s always stated she is mandalorian. Just because she wasn’t on the planet for most of rebels because she left the imperial academy doesn’t make her any less mandalorian. If Boba doesn’t see himself as mandalorian I can see why they’ve decided not to include him in the list but you’re way off the mark with Sabine

Because she too was an outcast. Thats why the darksaber storyline was so important for her.

If you recall her back story, prior to becoming a rebel, Sabine was a cadet at the Imperial Academy of Mandalore. She built weapons she believed would be used for peace but were instead used against her family and her people. Wracked with guilt, Sabine left Mandalore and was branded a traitor by the Empire and her mother, Ursa Wren, leader of the clan.

wait a minute. If you're an engineer and teach your kid everything you learned and know, how is he not an engineer? That's how jobs worked for thousands of years (and sometimes still do).

(I'm not saying boba is a mandalorian, I don't think he technically and/or really is, I'm just sayin. Besides, Boba was like 8 when jango got got, how much could he have learned anyway?)

"ShaggyB;c-2216364" wrote:

"Gouj4;c-2216328" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2216283" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216196" wrote:


Jango was a foundling who presumably followed learned the creed, and followed that when he was a part of it as part of his belief or "who he was" at least at some point. Boba did not, or maybe I'm wrong on that, but his commitment seemed to be to himself and his life in the underworld he was a part of.

My point about the engineering is that learning the knowledge vs showing commitment to the path are different things.

Lets go one further. Sabine isnt much of a mandolorian until the end of Rebels but she gets it?

How is Sabine not much of a mandalorian ??. She grew up in one of the main clans on mandalore, it’s always stated she is mandalorian. Just because she wasn’t on the planet for most of rebels because she left the imperial academy doesn’t make her any less mandalorian. If Boba doesn’t see himself as mandalorian I can see why they’ve decided not to include him in the list but you’re way off the mark with Sabine

Because she too was an outcast. Thats why the darksaber storyline was so important for her.

If you recall her back story, prior to becoming a rebel, Sabine was a cadet at the Imperial Academy of Mandalore. She built weapons she believed would be used for peace but were instead used against her family and her people. Wracked with guilt, Sabine left Mandalore and was branded a traitor by the Empire and her mother, Ursa Wren, leader of the clan.

I do recall her backstory, she was born on mandalore and so is and forever will be mandalorian. Whether she gets branded a traitor or not for a short period of time it doesn’t make her any less mandalorian because she is from the planet. Also it’s not like her mother had a choice to brand her a traitor since mandalore was under imperial rule by this point but it’s beside the point because traitor or not she can’t not be mandalorian

"LordDirt;c-2216358" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216199" wrote:

"LordDirt;c-2216193" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2216148" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216138" wrote:

"Nihion;c-2216126" wrote:
Should I share my theory?

I’ll share my theory: To me, everything about Boba in the Mandalorian pointed toward him betraying Mando. I thought he was going to pull some epic stuff in Episode 8 that would complicate the plot, like being with Moff Gideon, and that Windu would be the Jedi so that he and Boba could have a rematch. I thought I saw that narrative choice coming from a mile away, but when it didn’t happen, I was genuinely surprised and confused. Moral of the story, I thought that Boba was definitely not a Mandalorian after that, but if Jango counts, I don’t see why Boba shouldn’t. He seems to hold just as much honor as his father.

On that last point, if you are not from the planet, to be a Mandalorian you need to be following the creed.

Him showing that the armor was his fathers got him the armor.

But without following the creed I dont see how honor would make him a Mandalorian.

I can teach my son everything I learned when becoming an engineer, it doesnt make him an engineer.

I know he did cross paths and get taught the ways when he was younger, but that seemed to be him learning skills to survive in the underworld, not due to any commitment to the people/culture/creed, or even his father, which is what IMHO would be needed to be considered for the Mandalorian title.

So I can see why he didnt get the tag in game, but there is and can be a long debate on this topic, since there is a lot to unpack in his history.

Oh oh oh, this brings up an old debate I had somewhere on the forums about Jedi.
So, by your logic Kyno, do you think that Luke is a Jedi before his restarts the Order. By the time Luke comes around, the Jedi order is gone, so the way to become a Jedi is gone. Just because Yoda teaches him some stuff, that doesn’t mean he’s a Jedi, just as your son wouldn’t be an engineer.

But anyway, back in topic. I agree with your assessment of Boba...and by the looks of The Book of Boba Fett, he won’t be acting in the mando way anytime soon...but who knows.

Luke's Jedi trial was confronting Darth Vader. He completed his training, as basic as it was.

No no good sir. There were steps to becoming a Jedi...and those steps went away with the fall of the Jedi Order. Did Luke find his Kyber crystal? Nope. Did Luke pass the Jedi initiate Trials? Nope. Did Luke know any of the Jedi code? Nope. As Kyno stated above, just because he teaches his son all the ways of an engineer, that does not make his son an engineer.

I believe that Luke became a Jedi after he gathered the Jedi texts learned from them and restarted the Jedi Order.

“No. Not yet. One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Then, only then, a Jedi will you be. And confront him you will.”
Yoda

Luke did create a lightsaber in Old Bens hut. That is why it is green in RotJ. Btw, he was the Jedi in the movie ;)

Maybe the Jedi referred to in the title was Anakin. ;)

"Gouj4;c-2216378" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2216364" wrote:

"Gouj4;c-2216328" wrote:

"ShaggyB;c-2216283" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2216196" wrote:


Jango was a foundling who presumably followed learned the creed, and followed that when he was a part of it as part of his belief or "who he was" at least at some point. Boba did not, or maybe I'm wrong on that, but his commitment seemed to be to himself and his life in the underworld he was a part of.

My point about the engineering is that learning the knowledge vs showing commitment to the path are different things.

Lets go one further. Sabine isnt much of a mandolorian until the end of Rebels but she gets it?

How is Sabine not much of a mandalorian ??. She grew up in one of the main clans on mandalore, it’s always stated she is mandalorian. Just because she wasn’t on the planet for most of rebels because she left the imperial academy doesn’t make her any less mandalorian. If Boba doesn’t see himself as mandalorian I can see why they’ve decided not to include him in the list but you’re way off the mark with Sabine

Because she too was an outcast. Thats why the darksaber storyline was so important for her.

If you recall her back story, prior to becoming a rebel, Sabine was a cadet at the Imperial Academy of Mandalore. She built weapons she believed would be used for peace but were instead used against her family and her people. Wracked with guilt, Sabine left Mandalore and was branded a traitor by the Empire and her mother, Ursa Wren, leader of the clan.

I do recall her backstory, she was born on mandalore and so is and forever will be mandalorian. Whether she gets branded a traitor or not for a short period of time it doesn’t make her any less mandalorian because she is from the planet. Also it’s not like her mother had a choice to brand her a traitor since mandalore was under imperial rule by this point but it’s beside the point because traitor or not she can’t not be mandalorian

If your country exiles you... you are no longer a citizen. Example if i was american and the president kicked me out... im no longer american.

For a chunk of time Sabine is not officially recognized by the Mandolorians as a Mandolorian. Thats how that works.

Similiar to how they treated Jango Fett or DeathWatch.

Your arguement here only furthers the point i made to Kyno.... if you are trying to say a traitor brand or exile brand doesnt count in regards to if you are mandolorian, then Jango was even when he was a bounty hunter... which means Boba being his son or a child found/created and raised by him would be allowed to choose to be one.

"RTS;c-2216419" wrote:

"Gifafi;c-2216370" wrote:
wait a minute. If you're an engineer and teach your kid everything you learned and know, how is he not an engineer? That's how jobs worked for thousands of years (and sometimes still do).

Because the real world is different than fiction. Nobody has ever "been" a job that requires a high level degree just because they learned it from their parent(s).

You're not a doctor just because your parent was and taught you what they know - it's not how it works.

Feudal systems worked like that for years. A blacksmith would have an apprentice. Said person would learn said job hands on and then take it over or go open their own shop in a different village.

So you are completely wrong when you use an absolute like "Nobody has ever".... because a bunch of people in history have. That may not be how modern times in first world countries work today... but history covers a lot of time...