Asajj Ventress Limitations

@Boo "Long story short, Ventress was sith, just not a sith lord.

Also the Devs are not arguing this either - they merely say her snap shot in-game is post double-cross from Dooku - but this again does not make sense if she has the separatist tag does it - in which case she would be still under the apprenticeship of Dooku as described above and therefore warrants a Sith tag."
My god finally somebody with some logic. 100% agree. Very well put.
However Snoke is definitely not Plagueis, he was just another poorly written character in the new trilogy, with no roots in the Star Wars universe

"Boo;c-1605104" wrote:
Its no secret that Johnson ignored every set up TFA had to offer TLJ and very much made his own selfish movie - who knows what we would have got if the true reveal of Snoke's character was exposed.

Well, it's not a secret, I'll give you that.

It's also not true.

Abrams left a bunch of unanswered questions, as is his wont, with some suggestions for what they might be. Those aren't promises or obligations. They're interest points, and courtesies to the next director, for Rian to pick and choose as he saw fit. Yes, Abrams had some suggestions for some of them, but they were only that. Suggestions. Whether Abrams' thought was for Snoke to be Plagueis or for Rey to be the secret child of Boba Fett and Sy Snootles holds no weight, because they were just one suggestion for the next director to make up their own mind about.

Rian chose a lot of those leads to pick up, and chose a direction to go, as was literally his job. It may not have been the direction Abrams had in mind, it may not be the direction you expected, but that doesn't matter. Not Abrams' movie. Not Abrams' vision. And that is exactly what Abrams wanted and why he structured things the way he did. To leave freedom for the story to go in unexpected directions.

And btw the way to all the doubters of Asajj Ventress' status as a sith. Refer to Clone wars season 3 episode 12 "Nightsisters" at 1:47 into the episode Palpatine refers to Asajj specifically as a "sith apprentice" hence she is a sith.

@Elendior: "Asajj at one point has been Dookus apprentice. Correct. And Dooku called here therefor his sith apprentice. Right. But at one point she gets betrayed by Dooku so she starts to hate Dooku and the Sith and wants to take revenge on him with her nightsister allies. So as Fulcrum she is no SITH to her own will and believe. That is why Asajj in the game is such an important Nighstsister Leader because she lead on the Nightsisters in the fight against Grievous and Dookus Droid army. End of the story."

Yea not quite pal, tell me why she has a separatist tag? Can't wait to hear you explain that one, lol

I totally understand characters can't have all their tags from their entire timeline, that's just crazy. Unless of course its R2-D2, explain that one?
I just believe being defined as a Sith is not really an association with a faction, but rather a being who utilizes the techniques of the dark side of the force. Like Maul and Savage. Not to mention sith have been at war with each other and killing each other off for thousands of years. So it isnt really a faction, just like two knights aren't allied with all knights in the universe simply because they are knights.
One of the main points I'm trying to make is that she is a sith. A sith who fought with the nightsister, just like a jedi can fight alongside the galactic republic.

"Oh and the use of the Force ain't an indicator at all. Mace Windu for example uses the dark side to channel his power for his Vaapad lightsabre technique. Should he be a Sith now too? I dont think so"
That's just plain dumb, if I was using that logic (which I absolutely wasnt) I would say shes a jedi too. Nice try buddy, that was really cute ;)

Yeah this would be the third Chance. But i doubt giving the existing Asajj a Sith tag wouldnt make her viable in those teams.

And it completley aint right to give her a SITH/Separatist tag with 100 focus on nightsister Synergies.

So it would have to be a Sepratist/ Sith version, a nightsister version with ONLY nightsister synergies, and a Scoundrel/ Bounty Hunter masked version of her to suit her time in exile.

"3pourr2;c-1607254" wrote:
Apprentice doesn’t count until training is complete. I enjoyed the reading though

Savage Oppress is just an apprentice, and Ashoka for Jed is merely an aprentice.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Asajj_Ventress
The wiki pages have always lined up with the game from what I've seen and they say she was an assassin of the Sith. Her outfit is from season one of the show, so she worked with the Separatists, but she can still have an affiliation with the Nightsisters since she could return to them as she does later.

"Boo;c-1608047" wrote:

"YaeVizsla;c-1607977" wrote:
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"Boo;c-1607820" wrote:
Both Ventress and Savage were aspiring sith lords (the Rule of 2 only applies to Sith Lords)

Rule of Two only applies when those involved choose to obey it.

It gets broken all the time.

Ill be nice and re-post it for you to read:

Ventress was a Sith Assassin... .... warrants a Sith tag.

Right on the spot! That nails it perfectly and fits to our before mentioned idea that 3 versions of Ventress are required to fit her storyline while following the rule of the sith.

So the first Asajj should be the Sith - Separatist "Assasin Ventress" (since Dooku explains sidious that she is only his assasin)

The second Asajj should be the "Nightsister Ventress" (after Dooku betrayed her and she swore herself to defeat him)

The third master should be the Scoundrel/Bounty hunter "Exile Ventress" (after loosing against Dooku's army and General Grievous).

Maul therefor should get another Char too, being called Cyborg Maul referring to his times when his Brother found him. This would be a Scoundrel/ Sith char, since he planned to take over the role as a sith lord as you correctly stated. But i am not sure if this still is the case after Sidious killed Savage. What do you think @Boo?

Also i dont think plagueis is snoke. Not even a chance of 1 % that he is. If sidious betrayed him he would have been there to take revenge or at least try to. And not just wait till sidious dies and then take over the empire (First Order) . That is not the way of the Sith. Furthermore Papa Palpa clearly says that he killed his master and I doubt he would make a mistake in doing such a risky thing.

For me snoke is just another stupid mistake of the new movies. The same boring irrelevant fact like rey's background and the fact that TFA spoilers the map to find Luke when he is needed and TLJ shows he just wants to be on the island drinking alien milk waiting for his death. But that is another discussion.

Sound logic, and REAL SW fans :) . So glad to know they're out there, thought the entire world up it's own ass for a second.

"Ninjah9;d-169635" wrote:
I am seriously disappointed with the faction description of this character. She should definitely be labeled a sith, and be able to benefit from fighting with sith leaders abilities. This really goes against the canon of the storyline created by George Lucas. General Grievous I understand because he cannot use the force. But there is no legitimate reason not label Ventress a sith, she has held her own against and even bested several noteworthy jedi (including Kenobi, Anakin, Asokha, and Luminara), she can use the force, and was officially Count Dooku's apprentice. It's unfair, and possibly sexist that she isnt given sith attributes. How come male characters like Ezra Bridger and Kanan Jarrus can benefit from 3 factions (Jedi, rebel, and Phoenix) while Ventress is limited to only two. Are you saying only Male characters can have this benefit? Or that female characters all together aren't qualified enough to be a legitimate sith? I am offended by this and would like to see this correction made, or I will seriously consider getting the #metoo movement up in here, and file some official complaints. I expect better from Disney, and Lucasfilm!

To quote Cole Oyl, “You owe CG an apology”.

Good luck in life.