Best Evasion Leader?

"Zeldo;426019" wrote:
Old ben is more useful. Mind tricks, 60% tm reduction. He doesn't die as easy as dooku so his damage adds up too. Offense up can be stolen by qgj. Can't steal the tm.

Old ben does not outdamage Dooku whatsoever, even though he lives longer.
Dooku has a stun (that screws jedi).
And offense up obviously.


The point here is it depends on your team. A TM team should use ben, and a anti jedi/offensive team should use dooku.

I use rebels, clones or IGD. Frankly, Ben and Dooku are the same to me except occasionally Daka and RG and Dooku leave me overly stunned early in a fight and that's annoying for a few seconds.

Old ben. Add tm gain and has mind trick that can hurt a team for 1 to 2 turns.

Dooku. Add of up on people like Rey that game over. Also anti Jedi which I personally use to lock down qgj, someone everyone has.

I would have thought Lumi, Maul, Talia and Ahsoka deserved a mention. Probably others

Dooku, on offense. Ben on defense?

Head to head in an Evasion vs Evasion shootout, if AI plays correctly, it's Dooku, in general. Old Ben is stunned by Dooku's opening attack (if ben doesn't dodge, anyway), greatly decreasing the impact of Mind Tricks. Dooku is so fast he can keep Ben stunned thru round 2 or even 3, a lot of the time. By the time Mind Tricks goes off, Dooku team has some O up already, and O down doesn't stick on those toons.

But if Han is on Ben's team, it seems like a 90% chance that Force Lightning not only doesn't stick, but the double stun attacks Han, and it also misses, lol. Then Han taunts off the bat.

Old ben is frustrating to use on offense, because if he doesn't get Mind tricks off when it counts, he feels like 95% dead weight. Dooku stuns jedi all day, even with his basic, and his counters add up. You can't stun dooku, it's not worth the risk because he's so fast it won't last long, and if you fail to stick the stun, he counters. You can stun OR ability block Ben all day long. With multiple chances, unless he has QGJ lead... which doesn't make him Evasion l. So if Ben gets blocked or stunned before he acts, by a team that has multiple stun/block skills, he is pretty much dead weight. Block him for two or 3 rounds, then his window of opportunity is gone.

Then when he's the last toon, Ben is just 45 seconds of stalling the inevitable. Almost any single toon can finish off Ben. When ben uses Mind Tricks when its down to 2 toons left, it's useless, because those toons were probably on cooldown, anyway... and the ability itself doesn't do any damage. (not like his basic does much, either). Dooku can turn around from the red and beat a single jedi, easily, in a one-on-one. If it come down to, say Lumi vs Dooku, one on one, with Lumi full health and heal on the ready, Dooku in the yellow, I'll take Dooku, every time.

Talia is my GW evasion lead

Darth Maul if it wasn't bugged and we had more Sith

Dooku instantly put to use on my team at 4 stars (taking place of a 7 star toon) and still takes me to the top at 5. I took a long long break to farm ben, and no contest. On my team ben does not provide enough offense or defense. Dookus stuns and speed is more defense than ben would ever give against most of the teams i go up against. Only thing ben has going for him is drawing out the last 45 seconds before losing.

When i use han bens special is nice to keep ben alive. But by the time 3 round taunt is over and han is still in the green, i still cant kill the other team in time, lol. So i think unless you have Rey and or leia, maybe, ben is not going to cut it.

My ben is only 4 stars so take that for what it is worth. Maxed everything in abilities and still not fully veared.

I thought mind tricks would be better for defense than it really is. I am onlu 30 potency, not 50, but i still tag all 5 enemies. Even if rey gets tagged with o down, it only lasts two turns. If ability block only one. And reys turns are fast. Her second turn comes practically right after Ben, then before you know it she's back to one shotting your toons.

Dooku is better defense because he is faster than rey as long as someone hits him, occasionally. He does damage plus counter and double attacks which easily keeps reys foresight away, and he still finds the time to practically perma-stun/block one enemy jedi. So Rey dies. Basically if there is a jedi on the other team, dooku locks him down, while passively doing MORE damage on his counter than his basic when other people hit him.

Against jedi dooks is ridiculous. Ben i can see shining only with uber offense like rey, but esp with a stealthed leia.

BTW, if you choose to get Ben, don't waste mats on his Unique, Strike Me Down.
Firstly, it doesn't work. It only lasts for one turn. It's bugged.
Secondly, it isn't necessary, because even if you don't gear or star your Ben, AI won't hardly touch Ben.
Thirdly, it's not because AI is so smart it doesn't want to unleash the buff. It's because after Ben does his first Mind Trick, there's no reason to care if he's even there, anymore.
Fourthly, on defense a human player will have the same reasoning. If you block Ben a few turns, you can ignore him. If he gets off Mind Tricks, you can ignore him for another 4 turns, anyway. No point in attacking him even if he didn't have Strike Me Down... and esp because Strike Me Down doesn't work.

So just don't waste any purples. Ben's high health and Evasion Up and pitiful damage is enough reason to ignore him. Strike Me Down is completely and utterly useless.

Unlocking Dooku was the biggest surprise. I didn't even want to do it but got him in a chromium. He is awesome.

Unlocking Ben was the most exciting day I have had in a long time. And he is the biggest disappointment, so far. Mind Tricks underwhelming. After nearly a month farming him, I guess I'll have a use for him after another month farming Rey. I'm also working on RP.

Dooks is very versatile. He's the most OP toon I have unlocked, so far. And the evasion leadership is only a small fraction of the reason. You see him dancing around the battlefield nonstop when you fight him and it's annoying. And you still usually beat him. When he's on your team, you realize he's doing all that dancing because he's winning you matches. Matches that you wouldn't otherwise win on offense. Lots of 'em. Including matches against Ben Leads. He kills Ben leads.

And as I said my Dooks is only 5 stars. And I gave him my second furnace. And I am strongly considering giving him my first omegas. While he's still 5 stars.

"EM650;426439" wrote:

"Gonzalo1495;426047" wrote:

"Zeldo;426019" wrote:
Old ben is more useful. Mind tricks, 60% tm reduction. He doesn't die as easy as dooku so his damage adds up too. Offense up can be stolen by qgj. Can't steal the tm.

Old ben does not outdamage Dooku whatsoever, even though he lives longer.
Dooku has a stun (that screws jedi).
And offense up obviously.


The point here is it depends on your team. A TM team should use ben, and a anti jedi/offensive team should use dooku.

Dooku kind of seems nerfed lately. He and his team do not dodge nearly as much as they did previously. Also, I am always dissappointed with Foomu's dodge compared to RG or Daka.

OB1 does not deal much damage, but he lives in dodge city.

I wish, just had a Douku-led team in GW that I had troubles beating, not because it was good, but because they dodged a good 50% of my attacks. Every other attack missed, and they dodged everything from Rey, but one assist.

Am i the only one who is annoyed to see Dooku's color in the poll is blue and Old Ben's red. That is unacceptable :)