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amiralighofrani
Seasoned Novice
10 months ago

Can you please walk us through your reasoning to put profundity in the trash?

I am unable to understand the reasoning behind throwing profundity into the trash the way CG did by releasing P1. 

How is it working as intended if a 5 star executor and 3 star P1 take out a fully upgraded Profundity?

It is ok to make mistakes, but doubling down on it instead of fixing it is not the right attitude. Profundity is an expensive ship with high relics requirements. Folks spend enormous amount of time, money and resources into building their rosters, just to realize something they pursued for months as a meta becomes worthless over night!

I can understand if a 7 star executor with a 7 star P1 gets 50% win rate against Profundity. But low star exec beating full star profundity almost 100% of the time makes absolutely no sense.

If you shake up things so badly that nothing makes any sense anymore you will eventually lose participation.

20 Replies

  • Snowlock's avatar
    Snowlock
    New Adventurer
    10 months ago

    It's not complicated.  Profundity is an older fleet; it's not designed to compete with Leviathan, which is the meta so there's not a reason to prop it up artificially.  It still beats everything below Executor and Levi; so it's not useless, just not tied for 2nd anymore.  

    Complaining about it is like complaining why CLS can't beat GL's just because you've farmed CLS.  

  • It is literally hilarious to me that CG decided the best way to handle an unintentionally OP release of a ship that absolutely obliterates profundity, is to make the only other meta fleet in the game more likely to also be unbeatable with profundity.

    CG, what in the world is this attempt at creating fleet balance? For once, things were nearly perfect, where everything had a place and a use and a reason to chase, and with a single release and a series of poor decisions, you have thrown basically the whole fleet ecosystem into the trash in favor of making money on a single ship. 

    All you have done, is shown why nobody should spend money on ships in this game, when you repeatedly do stuff to completely screw the balance and playability of them. This isn't a small change, Punishing One quite literally beats everything in the fleet world right now, and rather than nerf it, you just screw players who invested heavily in an actually expensive fleet, even harder

  • Just cause it has a counter, doesn't mean it's bad. By that measure Executor is trash cause FO can (still) beat it.

  • Doom_Carrot's avatar
    Doom_Carrot
    Seasoned Novice
    10 months ago

    You can't be serious? People aren't annoyed that Profundity has a counter. It has always been countered by literally everything. The day it released, it was counterable with the fleet it was supposed to be the counter to

    People are annoyed because it no longer is even able to win on offense against almost anything else in the fleet meta. Your comparison is horrible and isn't even comparable

  • PhranxAU's avatar
    PhranxAU
    Seasoned Newcomer
    10 months ago

    It's not complicated.  Executor is an older fleet; it shouldn't be designed to destroy the newer Profundity fleet, which should be part of the meta so there's not a reason to prop it up artificially.  It still beats everything including competing against Levi; so it's not useless, just not tied for 2nd anymore. 

    Complaining about it is like complaining why Gungans can't beat Ewoks just because you've farmed something that was newer and more expensive.

    See I can do it too!

    The issue is that Profundity (A newer, more expensive top tier fleet than Executor) was removed from the top tier over night without any reason or explanation.
    The reason people are complaining is that you don't expect something cheaper and older to reasonably be expected to not only outperform but completely invalidate your progression.  People's entire farming strategy is based on the expectation of some reasonable stability.  Chaos like this causes frustration and the feeling of loss of progression. The complete opposite of what hero collection games are all about.  People are supposed to feel that constant forward movement to keep them engaged and invested.

    No one should be saying that they wanted their Profundity to be the best, no one should be saying it should wipe the floor with Executor.
    New fleets should usually do better than old fleets.  You're seeing people upset because they put a lot of time, effort, and in many cases, money into something that is now a terrible investment that in its current state, I bet people will now avoid farming.

    Welcome to paper/scissors/flop.

  • Wingman826's avatar
    Wingman826
    Seasoned Novice
    10 months ago

    Your arguments are very consistent with where I am at with this game right now.  Thank you.

  • mykdapet's avatar
    mykdapet
    Rising Ace
    10 months ago

    Yeah, as far as GL Ships go (for lack of a better term)

    Executor was first (i.e. now the oldest), Profundity second (the middle child), and Leviathan last (the new baby - still).  

    I can see bumping up exec to prof level, but not more. And from other stuff i've seen posted, 3 PI should not be outdoing 7 PI, that's just poor coding/planning.

  • This is coming from the perspective from one who has being playing for 10 months. CG is stuck right now. The game isn't making as much money as they used to, so they are throwing everything at the wall and see what sticks. SWGOH is losing gamers because they can't get them to stay in the game. It seems daunting how much work it takes to build up to have a decent roster (not talking about an end-game roster, just a decent one). Enter LSB's. It's a money maker and it helps newer gamers like me "catch up". I think that really bumped their money a lot, but I don't think it was a wise decision in the long run. Really, the revamp of the new player experience was probably the best thing they've done to help new players. But with all these LSB's and changes, it's starting to hurt the end gamers.

    I won't deny the LSB's progressed my roster ALOT over 10 months. Now I'm at 6 million GP and I'm starting to get to the other side. When a new LSB comes out, there's a chance I already farmed those characters. I also spent a lot amount of time (and money) rushing to get Executor. If within the next few months an existing cap ship gets an upgrade and counters my Exec, I would be very upset. I can't only imagine how it feels for those who farmed Profundity and Levi and see the P1 come out and wreck your ships that you most likely spent well over a year farming.

  • snvc4kdc9jv2's avatar
    snvc4kdc9jv2
    Rising Novice
    9 months ago

    If I’d known about P1 before I would’ve farmed executor instead of profundity as it’s useless in fleet arena now 

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