Challence Tier Rancor - The design flaw to end all design flaws

The dream scenario*:
Every time you finish a battle in the raid, you get a popup (disabled in options) and can choose between: "forfait", "deal damage" and "submit" (or whatever they should be called).
"Forfait" just leaves the run and 0 damage is dealt and no toons is used. "Deal damage" is just like now, you spend the toons and deal the damage". "Submit" will set the run aside and leave you to do whatever you want. The officers get a screen with all the submitted runs and can choose to accept the damage or cancel the run.
The officers can block "deal damage" and/or "submit, thereby hindering accidental damage
Players can only have 1 run submitted at the same time, submitting a new run overwrites the old one.

*can be adjusted to GAC and TW as well. No game should have it's competitive aspects be dependent on flight mode"

While I like this idea of a forfeit, deal damage, submit button I feel its not something that should be set aside and then let officers choose which ones to accept and which dont. As an officer you could just dismiss people that would push you out of top10 for example in favour of others that are lower so its susceptible to abuse.

A button that just lets you forfeit or submit would be enough. Then members wouldnt need airplane mode though they'd still have to wait for the go ahead to press submit. Not ideal but better than what it is now.

"IronCross;c-2213071" wrote:
The raid itself isn’t bad, just the need to have so many people on at the exact same time. Just terrible...

Remove the 20% ramp up and raid is fixed.

To be fair just removing that mechanic would likely make the raid too easy for SLKR to solo.

Remove the mechanic and replace it with stacking dmg and speed every 2% or so in an individual run. The rate at which it stacks can be adjusted to hit their targets.

Another solution would be to limit siphoning to 100 stacks. This would prevent SLKR from destroying this and any new raids but still leave him doing decent damage and relatively unchanged in the rest of the game.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2215373" wrote:

"IronCross;c-2213071" wrote:
The raid itself isn’t bad, just the need to have so many people on at the exact same time. Just terrible...

Remove the 20% ramp up and raid is fixed.

To be fair just removing that mechanic would likely make the raid too easy for SLKR to solo.

Remove the mechanic and replace it with stacking dmg and speed every 2% or so in an individual run. The rate at which it stacks can be adjusted to hit their targets.

Another solution would be to limit siphoning to 100 stacks. This would prevent SLKR from destroying this and any new raids but still leave him doing decent damage and relatively unchanged in the rest of the game.

Or even just leave the 20% bump in, but on a personal basis, not universal. It's amazing - of all of the ways CG could have accomplished their stated goals about reducing in-guild friction and raids not being easily solo'd, they always manage to choose the option that is the least player-friendly. It's truly a gift. The Mark of a well run company.

"Nikoms565;c-2215425" wrote:

"DarkHelmet1138;c-2215373" wrote:

"IronCross;c-2213071" wrote:
The raid itself isn’t bad, just the need to have so many people on at the exact same time. Just terrible...

Remove the 20% ramp up and raid is fixed.

To be fair just removing that mechanic would likely make the raid too easy for SLKR to solo.

Remove the mechanic and replace it with stacking dmg and speed every 2% or so in an individual run. The rate at which it stacks can be adjusted to hit their targets.

Another solution would be to limit siphoning to 100 stacks. This would prevent SLKR from destroying this and any new raids but still leave him doing decent damage and relatively unchanged in the rest of the game.

Or even just leave the 20% bump in, but on a personal basis, not universal. It's amazing - of all of the ways CG could have accomplished their stated goals about reducing in-guild friction and raids not being easily solo'd, they always manage to choose the option that is the least player-friendly. It's truly a gift. The Mark of a well run company.

I see what you did there.


Wouldnt a beta test program catch this? We are told there is a beta test program, you can even apply for it, yet we get things like this. If there is such a program, its good to know that CG ignores them as much as they ignore us.

We have completed the raid 2 times in a row now and we hope to have it under control. All my criticism remain though.

"Zanir;c-2224558" wrote:
What a joke. New raid tries to be an MMO event in a phone game? No problem.

SLKR can solo Phase 1? IMMEDIATE ACTION.

The nakedest of all the kinds of naked greed. CG could make King Leopold II of Belgium blush in their scramble for profit.

Add King Leopold II of Belgium to the list of things I didn't think I'd hear referenced today....

"Iy4oy4s;c-2203858" wrote:
If LSGTB is anything to go by, they are not changing the challenge tier.

You are likely right, but the difference is, that LSGTB is just absurdly hard, this raid is as well AND one mistake can ruin everything. For the entire guild. That is a first.

"Iy4oy4s;c-2203882" wrote:

"DarjeloSalas;c-2203875" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2203873" wrote:

"TroelsVastrup;c-2203865" wrote:

"Iy4oy4s;c-2203858" wrote:
If LSGTB is anything to go by, they are not changing the challenge tier.

You are likely right, but the difference is, that LSGTB is just absurdly hard, this raid is as well AND one mistake can ruin everything. For the entire guild. That is a first.

I agree with you, it’s just CG doesn’t listen to the community. LSGTB is a prime example of this.

LSTB is fine now.

Admittedly that’s 1 year after release, which doesn’t bode well for the Challenge Pit.

LSGTB is not fine now. Content that can’t be 100% completed a year after release is a failure.

We complete it every month. No, we don't get top rewards for max stars but we are rewarded according to our results. Even if a player makes a mistake we still win rewards - possibly less rewards but we don't lose everything.

The new Challenge Tier raid is different. One single mistake early on can render further battles futile.

"SithVicious;c-2206951" wrote:
I’m curious how they managed to test this raid with only one laptop

12 people all sitting around it at the same time? :D