"JohnnySteelAlpha;c-1081552" wrote:
"ImYourHuckleberry;c-1081485" wrote:
Look, I understand where most of you are coming from, but I disagree.
This game develops in stages, and maybe in this current stage chaze has more utility than any other duo, but there will be additional stages of toon deployment and development to follow. You see, it doesn't mean the game will always be this way. Remember 1st and foremost, CG is a business and has investors looking for a return on their investment, and power creep ensures revenue streams. What I take from this thread, is perhaps a word to CG, and even their investors, to not accelerate the power creep so fast. That seems reasonable.
Admittedly, chaze was a massive jump in the meta. But chaze is beatable, as I've shown in a thread in the feedback section under characters. Being somewhat of a counter meta guy, I like the challenge chaze poses to me. It's fun to come up with new ways to beat chaze (and rex) without using either.
Chaze has not broken the game, is not op, is not unbeatable, is not unbalanced . Just because the duo has great utility doesn't then mean they beat all strategy and is unbalanced. Many have already shown alternative comps that can beat chaze without using Chaze. Oh I know, I know, just because you can beat a team, doesn't mean the team is balanced. We'll, just because a team is unbalanced doesn't mean the game is broken or has insurmountable squads on the way to #1 in arena.
While arena isn't broken now, if they release a strong LS / Rebel leader skill that can replace the GK / Wedge / DN leads in these Chaze / GK / R2 squads I think it's very possible arena will be totally broken in the sense you will have to base teams, even to win, on that core set of heroes. Rebel / Jedi Luke would be the most likely scenario to plop in a great leader skill - in that scenario assuming an elite leader on a great character I believe it would be close to impossible to beat that team without using any of those 5 characters assuming similar mod levels.
I have no comment about what-ifs. First, I have no idea on their development plan where they're taking the game. Second, some are part of the beta team testing new content, but they're bound by a non-disclosure agreement. Third, if we debated future possibilities, we'd be debating forever, and most would be a waste of thought. Without seeing what will be deployed, I'll pass on these types of arguments.
You can tell Chaze is "broken" from a few specific points:
1. They are remaining the core meta through every meta shift for 6 months - including an ELITE Sith pass and months now of Dark Side reworks (Sith, DN / ST / SiT release, FO, Empire revamps) - historically that has not happened, especially when you consider how insanely powerful that zDM team was and how different it was from any other meta - that should have almost broken the game - but Chaze swam through it no problem and actually re-defined the meta around them. How do you take a Sith like DN, flip it, and redefine the meta against that beast of a team? That's incredible that a tandem could do that.
Arena is not broken, but chaze is? Not sure you can have it both ways. Also, since when is length of time a meta has existed been established as a measure of whether a toon is broken? That's your opinion, and I disagree. But let's assume you are correct. Then maybe it follows that the current long lasting chaze meta is more a reflection on the lack of success of toon development and deployment, because as we've both discussed, the chaze meta can be simply ended by new toons with targeted synergy against the duo.
3. Each new release that's strong, does NOT take away from their utility - it only serves to add to it and make them stronger. Even opposite faction (like DN) that have no blatant synergy between them. Latest example is R2. That's not how these games work.
I don't know how the game is supposed to work. But again, this is more a reflection on a lack-luster new toon development - whether planned or unplanned I don't know.
Let's assume unplanned. One could only conclude, recent game updates on the whole have been a failure from a lack of design creativity; it doesn't directly follow that it's because the game is broken.
I really feel DN and the Sith path was supposed to bring balance against the Rebels / Chaze, not take Chaze to another level with hide the Nihilius and use DN to actually crush his own faction :) That makes no sense if you just think about it big picture. I believe that Chaze / GK and the boys at this point are almost out of control from where CG is wanting to take the game. R2 was so clearly an anti-Zaul toon...he was supposed to come and save the LS from that meta - but zDM was already killed when DN was released in the Sith pass! So R2 did nothing really to the meta at all but make Chaze better.
Chaze is not unbeatable - yet - but they are absolutely breaking the game part of GoH and that train is only picking up steam, not slowing down even as many toons are released and many have been reworked.
Feel? Anyways, I can easily beat standard rex/chaze/gk/nihilus teams using a gk lead, a nihilus lead, a Vader lead, a maul lead, a Qgj lead and remain tops in arena. The teams I can field with these leads do hold up on Def. And I don't use Chaze except I'll use Baze with Barris under gk(L). People use Chaze because most are sheep and follow the leader. Monkey see monkey do.
Your attempts to say that my beating chaze doesn't mean the game isn't broken is irrelevant. From my perspective, I'm winning (without chaze) therefore it's irrelevant if the game is broken or not in your pov. It's a moot point.
