Darth Maul still not cutting it.

* ^ Zeta'd QGJ

"Gank_Killer;792741" wrote:
He starts with 20% TM, Hidden, and Crit Immune. I'm not saying he's going to be the beast under your bed, but I don't think he's useless anymore. Not to mention he gains MAX HEALTH of 10% the damage he deals. This is not a heal, he increases his max health. Let's say he does his AOE and does 10k per enemy, 50k damage total. He just gave himself 5k more HP. Unless I'm totally wrong about the wording, that could be scary.

Leave him for last and he'll have 50k HP and heal 25% Max Health Recovery every hit, whaaaaaaat?

That still doesn't change his old problems though. His win condition requires 20-60% of the enemy team to be taken out first, and if you have defeated that many toons without the bonuses from his unique ability then they probably aren't needed to take down the remaining enemies.
I'm not saying it's a bad design, it's just kind of overkill for the end of a battle and not as effective as being stronger at the start of the match, like how Wedge's abilities function

"Gank_Killer;792741" wrote:
He starts with 20% TM, Hidden, and Crit Immune. I'm not saying he's going to be the beast under your bed, but I don't think he's useless anymore. Not to mention he gains MAX HEALTH of 10% the damage he deals. This is not a heal, he increases his max health. Let's say he does his AOE and does 10k per enemy, 50k damage total. He just gave himself 5k more HP. Unless I'm totally wrong about the wording, that could be scary.

Leave him for last and he'll have 50k HP and heal 25% Max Health Recovery every hit, whaaaaaaat?

Exactly. How can you say he's cutting it when you don't have him at max gear and you don't have his Zeta? His gear 11 pieces should give him more HP and damage potential. Between the crit mitigation within his abilities and if you pair him with Shoretrooper, not to mention his Evasion bonus from being lead; he gains a lot of survivability. You probably just don't have good mods and can't make him much faster than 100. If Baze is messing you up with his AOE it's going to happen versus anybody, not just Darth Maul.

With Mods you should be able to get him to around +80 speed on him. Yes not as fast at a Wiggs squad but he should be starting the encounter stealthed so he's not getting hit anyway and even an AOE is a non-crit and Lando will be shut-down for 2 turns. Maybe do something with a DM Lead, EP, and then leave big character visible like Boba Fett, Sun Fac, and Shoretrooper. Boba Fett isn't big but he comes back to life and is pretty useful all around. Shoretrooper's taunt will give more crit immunity and a heal. Maul's AOE has a good chance to Daze everybody if your Potency is good enough (say 40% to 50%) and that should really slow down the other squad.

It's not perfect and every team is beatable in some way. But you have to max your character and give him the new ability before you can say the update isn't good.

"Allenb60;792760" wrote:

"Gank_Killer;792741" wrote:
He starts with 20% TM, Hidden, and Crit Immune. I'm not saying he's going to be the beast under your bed, but I don't think he's useless anymore. Not to mention he gains MAX HEALTH of 10% the damage he deals. This is not a heal, he increases his max health. Let's say he does his AOE and does 10k per enemy, 50k damage total. He just gave himself 5k more HP. Unless I'm totally wrong about the wording, that could be scary.

Leave him for last and he'll have 50k HP and heal 25% Max Health Recovery every hit, whaaaaaaat?

That still doesn't change his old problems though. His win condition requires 20-60% of the enemy team to be taken out first, and if you have defeated that many toons without the bonuses from his unique ability then they probably aren't needed to take down the remaining enemies.
I'm not saying it's a bad design, it's just kind of overkill for the end of a battle and not as effective as being stronger at the start of the match, like how Wedge's abilities function

Every toon has their own mechanic. Wiggs is a glass cannon, strong out of the gate but not hard to kill. They can't kill DM in the first turn unless somebody goes before Biggs that can pull DM out of stealth. If a Biggs is that damn slow, the team will suck anyway. DM's Daze should stop the unique ability Wedge has, so that TM gain and heal are no more at that point. Biggs can't get his evasion-up buff. Pair another Sith like EP and he'll stun 1 or more characters and his shock on somebody like Baze reduces their value. Like I said above, it's not perfect and every team is beatable, but I think the zeta ability with a gear 11 DM is better than credit is being given. Who knows, maybe he's still terribad but nobody knows yet. I haven't seen a YouTube video with anybody that has him zeta'd, so until somebody tries it we won't know.

"Darth_Jay77;792784" wrote:

"Allenb60;792760" wrote:

"Gank_Killer;792741" wrote:
He starts with 20% TM, Hidden, and Crit Immune. I'm not saying he's going to be the beast under your bed, but I don't think he's useless anymore. Not to mention he gains MAX HEALTH of 10% the damage he deals. This is not a heal, he increases his max health. Let's say he does his AOE and does 10k per enemy, 50k damage total. He just gave himself 5k more HP. Unless I'm totally wrong about the wording, that could be scary.

Leave him for last and he'll have 50k HP and heal 25% Max Health Recovery every hit, whaaaaaaat?

That still doesn't change his old problems though. His win condition requires 20-60% of the enemy team to be taken out first, and if you have defeated that many toons without the bonuses from his unique ability then they probably aren't needed to take down the remaining enemies.
I'm not saying it's a bad design, it's just kind of overkill for the end of a battle and not as effective as being stronger at the start of the match, like how Wedge's abilities function

Every toon has their own mechanic. Wiggs is a glass cannon, strong out of the gate but not hard to kill. They can't kill DM in the first turn unless somebody goes before Biggs that can pull DM out of stealth. If a Biggs is that damn slow, the team will suck anyway. DM's Daze should stop the unique ability Wedge has, so that TM gain and heal are no more at that point. Biggs can't get his evasion-up buff. Pair another Sith like EP and he'll stun 1 or more characters and his shock on somebody like Baze reduces their value. Like I said above, it's not perfect and every team is beatable, but I think the zeta ability with a gear 11 DM is better than credit is being given. Who knows, maybe he's still terribad but nobody knows yet. I haven't seen a YouTube video with anybody that has him zeta'd, so until somebody tries it we won't know.

Plo Koon can! (I'm just joking) Your right, his zeta ability is probably pretty good

"Allenb60;792792" wrote:

"Darth_Jay77;792784" wrote:

"Allenb60;792760" wrote:

"Gank_Killer;792741" wrote:
He starts with 20% TM, Hidden, and Crit Immune. I'm not saying he's going to be the beast under your bed, but I don't think he's useless anymore. Not to mention he gains MAX HEALTH of 10% the damage he deals. This is not a heal, he increases his max health. Let's say he does his AOE and does 10k per enemy, 50k damage total. He just gave himself 5k more HP. Unless I'm totally wrong about the wording, that could be scary.

Leave him for last and he'll have 50k HP and heal 25% Max Health Recovery every hit, whaaaaaaat?

That still doesn't change his old problems though. His win condition requires 20-60% of the enemy team to be taken out first, and if you have defeated that many toons without the bonuses from his unique ability then they probably aren't needed to take down the remaining enemies.
I'm not saying it's a bad design, it's just kind of overkill for the end of a battle and not as effective as being stronger at the start of the match, like how Wedge's abilities function

Every toon has their own mechanic. Wiggs is a glass cannon, strong out of the gate but not hard to kill. They can't kill DM in the first turn unless somebody goes before Biggs that can pull DM out of stealth. If a Biggs is that damn slow, the team will suck anyway. DM's Daze should stop the unique ability Wedge has, so that TM gain and heal are no more at that point. Biggs can't get his evasion-up buff. Pair another Sith like EP and he'll stun 1 or more characters and his shock on somebody like Baze reduces their value. Like I said above, it's not perfect and every team is beatable, but I think the zeta ability with a gear 11 DM is better than credit is being given. Who knows, maybe he's still terribad but nobody knows yet. I haven't seen a YouTube video with anybody that has him zeta'd, so until somebody tries it we won't know.

Plo Koon can! (I'm just joking) Your right, his zeta ability is probably pretty good

Haha, I was waiting for somebody to say PK. :D A very fast Echo could but without good speed mods he will be irrelevant before his turn probably. LOL

"Tigzie;792797" wrote:
He does still need a buff tbh even with his Zeta let's be honest some (already brilliant) characters have been given Zetas which have made them just incredible giving a **** toon like maul Zeta is just going to make him average considering how below par he is already.

Possibly. His speed should be closer to 130 or 140 I think, and a Potency of 0 makes no sense with the Daze effect. That's a good point actually, I wonder if we could get somebody to take a look at this.


Darth Maul's AOE can afflict "Daze" but that should be affected by a Potency vs. Tenacity check. Darth Maul has 0 Potency from what I can tell. With Darth Maul really needing health, protection, speed, and crit damage, it's hard to mod a meaningful amount of Potency too. Any consideration to buffing Darth Maul's potency a little, say to 30%? @CG_CapGaSP @CG_Kozispoon @EA_Jesse

"Darth_Jay77;792809" wrote:

"Tigzie;792797" wrote:
He does still need a buff tbh even with his Zeta let's be honest some (already brilliant) characters have been given Zetas which have made them just incredible giving a **** toon like maul Zeta is just going to make him average considering how below par he is already.

Possibly. His speed should be closer to 130 or 140 I think, and a Potency of 0 makes no sense with the Daze effect. That's a good point actually, I wonder if we could get somebody to take a look at this.


Darth Maul's AOE can afflict "Daze" but that should be affected by a Potency vs. Tenacity check. Darth Maul has 0 Potency from what I can tell. With Darth Maul really needing health, protection, speed, and crit damage, it's hard to mod a meaningful amount of Potency too. Any consideration to buffing Darth Maul's potency a little, say to 30%? @CG_CapGaSP @CG_Kozispoon @EA_Jesse

No worries, if I'm reading this correctly he gains at least 42 potency passively if his unique ability is level 8
https://swgoh.gg/characters/darth-maul/

"Allenb60;792814" wrote:

"Darth_Jay77;792809" wrote:

"Tigzie;792797" wrote:
He does still need a buff tbh even with his Zeta let's be honest some (already brilliant) characters have been given Zetas which have made them just incredible giving a **** toon like maul Zeta is just going to make him average considering how below par he is already.

Possibly. His speed should be closer to 130 or 140 I think, and a Potency of 0 makes no sense with the Daze effect. That's a good point actually, I wonder if we could get somebody to take a look at this.


Darth Maul's AOE can afflict "Daze" but that should be affected by a Potency vs. Tenacity check. Darth Maul has 0 Potency from what I can tell. With Darth Maul really needing health, protection, speed, and crit damage, it's hard to mod a meaningful amount of Potency too. Any consideration to buffing Darth Maul's potency a little, say to 30%? @CG_CapGaSP @CG_Kozispoon @EA_Jesse

No worries, if I'm reading this correctly he gains at least 42 potency passively if his unique ability is level 8
https://swgoh.gg/characters/darth-maul/

Oh, good catch; I definitely missed that one. My bad. Sorry CG folks. lol

I use my 4*, lower gear (only 1 or 2 purp levels) in GW, and he can put out 10k crits on Jedi under Palpy, and 7K crits on people under Boba. Weak 1* mods only, Unique is Zeta'd. Under Palpy, an AoE is pretty much a full heal plus the extra max HP to start can keep him alive better, as he has around +50% HP (Unique 20% and 30% from Palpy)