No matter what terminology you prefer: nerf, bug fix, a more accurate description of abilities, the greatest imbalance currently in the game has not been changed.Anyone at the top end of arena on mature arena leaderboards has known that Zaul was not the problem, but rather the counter to Zaul was the problem. That is Rex. Using a Rex lead did not require any zeta abilities, it did not require any team synergy, and was pretty much able to beat well-synergized, heavily zeta squads.The top end of arena will change from an equal mix of Rex and Zaul teams to an equal mix of Rex and Nihlus teams. Zylo will probably start to appear in more top ten teams as they will need more firepower now that Zaul will fade away. Niche teams like Zeta Jedi and Troopers will pop their heads up every now and again, but please do not think this has changed the real problem with the game.

"Insufferable_camper;d-109455" wrote:well-synergized, heavily zeta squads.It was able to beat zeta Maul squads, which required only one zeta and 2-3 4* characters that everyone got for free. Rex was unavailable to farm (p2p ONLY) until ships launched. I think it is a totally reasonable, fair counter. Now, the Rex triple cleanse team requires a lot of resources that many players do not have: GK, maxed Chirrut, etc. If anything it is easier for f2p or light spenders to compete at top-end arena.

Most of the Zaul squads at the top use a seven star Nihlus with a zeta on his unique. A smaller sub-group use a zSavage. Few of the top squads are using the characters at 2 or 3 stars unless it just an incredibly new arena leaderboard.

Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams. They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta. The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.

"Insufferable_camper;c-1060719" wrote:Most of the Zaul squads at the top use a seven star Nihlus with a zeta on his unique. A smaller sub-group use a zSavage. Few of the top squads are using the characters at 2 or 3 stars unless it just an incredibly new arena leaderboard.My leaderboard is not incredibly new, but not ancient either (coming up on 1 year). Of the top 10 teams, most have only a 4* Sith Assassin, or a 4-5* Nihilus. It's a lot more competitive downboard from the top (some of the players in the 100 range have tougher teams than we do in top 20). Many teams do not use the zeta Savage. The point I'm trying to make is that using a Rex team is not "easier." The Maul team takes very few resources comparatively. Maul lead is an EASY team to build. Just like Wedge/Biggs was. It's a way for f2p to take top arena with very little effort. Of course if you decide to zeta 3/4 of your characters you'll do better! I run 2 zetas (soon to be 3) on my arena team.

"slickdealer;c-1060723" wrote:Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams. They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta. The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears. Where do you see it heading then? There has been a slow-migration toward zNihlus lead with Sith Trooper, and zSavage, instead of Zaul in the past two weeks. What teams are there to counter the zNihlus teams?The triple cleanse teams aren't leaving anytime soon.

Direction of the top end of arena

rscarbonneau
8 years ago
"Insufferable_camper;d-109455" wrote:
well-synergized, heavily zeta squads.

It was able to beat zeta Maul squads, which required only one zeta and 2-3 4* characters that everyone got for free. Rex was unavailable to farm (p2p ONLY) until ships launched.
I think it is a totally reasonable, fair counter.

Now, the Rex triple cleanse team requires a lot of resources that many players do not have: GK, maxed Chirrut, etc.

If anything it is easier for f2p or light spenders to compete at top-end arena.
Insufferable_ca
8 years ago
Most of the Zaul squads at the top use a seven star Nihlus with a zeta on his unique. A smaller sub-group use a zSavage. Few of the top squads are using the characters at 2 or 3 stars unless it just an incredibly new arena leaderboard.
mikebpiz
8 years ago
Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams.

They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta.

The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.
rscarbonneau
8 years ago
"Insufferable_camper;c-1060719" wrote:
Most of the Zaul squads at the top use a seven star Nihlus with a zeta on his unique. A smaller sub-group use a zSavage. Few of the top squads are using the characters at 2 or 3 stars unless it just an incredibly new arena leaderboard.

My leaderboard is not incredibly new, but not ancient either (coming up on 1 year). Of the top 10 teams, most have only a 4* Sith Assassin, or a 4-5* Nihilus. It's a lot more competitive downboard from the top (some of the players in the 100 range have tougher teams than we do in top 20).

Many teams do not use the zeta Savage.

The point I'm trying to make is that using a Rex team is not "easier." The Maul team takes very few resources comparatively. Maul lead is an EASY team to build. Just like Wedge/Biggs was. It's a way for f2p to take top arena with very little effort. Of course if you decide to zeta 3/4 of your characters you'll do better! I run 2 zetas (soon to be 3) on my arena team.
Insufferable_ca
8 years ago
"slickdealer;c-1060723" wrote:
Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams.

They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta.

The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.

Where do you see it heading then? There has been a slow-migration toward zNihlus lead with Sith Trooper, and zSavage, instead of Zaul in the past two weeks. What teams are there to counter the zNihlus teams?

The triple cleanse teams aren't leaving anytime soon.
Mullato616
8 years ago
I see alot of people still running the triple cleanse in the future, but with zMaul on the downfall this opens the doors to alot of different teams. Since they can reliably climb now.
mikebpiz
8 years ago
"Insufferable_camper;c-1060733" wrote:
"slickdealer;c-1060723" wrote:
Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams.

They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta.

The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.

Where do you see it heading then? There has been a slow-migration toward zNihlus lead with Sith Trooper, and zSavage, instead of Zaul in the past two weeks. What teams are there to counter the zNihlus teams?

The triple cleanse teams aren't leaving anytime soon.

All kinds of teams can beat Nihilus leads.

Rex teams perform poorly. No crits = no TM.

This will lead to a more diverse leaderboard, which we all want.
excoach
8 years ago
I think they made a couple leaderships over powered, the evasion/daze of Zaul and Rex is great for a non zeta, just think about what his zeta will do. The problem is not the leadership abilities, but the characters themselves. Tanks are not tanky when taking damage. Shore trooper is a very good tank- Mace is horrible, I think they need to reassess all the tanks and formulate what a tank should be. Whether it's like a taunting Shore trooper/ Royal guard, or an attacking Mace or 5's. Tanks should be able to absorb or soften the other teams attacking abilities. If they don't taunt, they should deal offense down, speed down or stagger/Daze. Tanks like royal guard, old Ben and chewbacca could also be great cleansers
Insufferable_ca
8 years ago
"slickdealer;c-1060747" wrote:
"Insufferable_camper;c-1060733" wrote:
"slickdealer;c-1060723" wrote:
Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams.

They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta.

The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.

Where do you see it heading then? There has been a slow-migration toward zNihlus lead with Sith Trooper, and zSavage, instead of Zaul in the past two weeks. What teams are there to counter the zNihlus teams?

The triple cleanse teams aren't leaving anytime soon.

All kinds of teams can beat Nihilus leads.

Rex teams perform poorly. No crits = no TM.

This will lead to a more diverse leaderboard, which we all want.

There is a never a diverse leaderboard. If you are waiting for that you will wait forever.

"BradGoodyear;c-1060739" wrote:
"Insufferable_camper;d-109455" wrote:

Anyone at the top end of arena on mature arena leaderboards has known that Zaul was not the problem, but rather the counter to Zaul was the problem. That is Rex.

Are you serious? Zaul is absolutely the problem. He has 100% application of Daze on all 5 of your characters while giving all the sith massive evasion, AND sealth mechanics, AND advantage for Crits, and 2 one-shot characters in DN AND Sith Assassin(if you don't know what Im talking about you haven't faces a real zaul team)

Nobody can beat zaul except, rex, everyone can beat rex. I welcome the influx of rex teams. Now my 50K first order team wont lose to a 40K zaul team 10 times a day.

The fastest Sith Assassin I have had to face had +142 speed from mods. These teams had a turn order of SA, Zaul to apply daze, Nihlus to increase cooldowns, and then EP to stun, ---
still easily defeated by a non-zeta Rex team.
Insufferable_ca
8 years ago
"slickdealer;c-1060747" wrote:
"Insufferable_camper;c-1060733" wrote:
"slickdealer;c-1060723" wrote:
Ridiculous. Rex teams are atrocious on defense. No one has fun using Rex teams.

They only existed because they could win reliably against the Sith meta.

The more people switch away from Sith, the faster Rex disappears.

Where do you see it heading then? There has been a slow-migration toward zNihlus lead with Sith Trooper, and zSavage, instead of Zaul in the past two weeks. What teams are there to counter the zNihlus teams?

The triple cleanse teams aren't leaving anytime soon.

All kinds of teams can beat Nihilus leads.

Rex teams perform poorly. No crits = no TM.

This will lead to a more diverse leaderboard, which we all want.

The Rex leadership is just a icing, it is cleanse, tenacity up, and tm boost that make him so broken.