Don't change Traya's omicron
As the title says, don't do it. Roll back your decision and don't touch it. It doesn't need to be changed. Traya is a raid character and should be strong.
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"Whatelse73;c-2402531" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2402528" wrote:
"Screerider;c-2402516" wrote:
I wish there was a guarantee.
I wish you posted something with some actual basis and helpfulness for once…."Jakdnels;c-2402518" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2402512" wrote:
"Jakdnels;c-2402504" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2402501" wrote:
"Jakdnels;c-2402480" wrote:
"StarSon;c-2402477" wrote:
."Jakdnels;c-2402474" wrote:
"Ravens1113;c-2402466" wrote:
"Jakdnels;c-2402455" wrote:
I'm curious what Traya's omicron will allow her to do post nerf that she couldn't already do without it.
It’ll still allow you to soft counter LV like before. They’re deactivating her omi against DS GL’s and made it so you aren’t getting too much offense boost now.
So all they did was overreact and tune back her effectiveness against LV and any DS GL
Can you expand on how it'll still soft counter LV? and before what... before the nerf or before she got the omicron in the first place?
Before she got the omicron in the first place. Traya has always been a likely 2-hit with an outside chance to win.
Thanks, that's kinda what I thought too. Even running an omicron Traya with LV vs LV to boost your chances doesn't work with this kind of nerf.
Ravens1113 My question was what could she do with the omicron that she couldn't do without it...
Before the nerf it made it possible to one shot Vader and utilize a DN lead for the 10% health reduction to reset all cool downs to make battles like GAS, DR, Malgus, and other lower meta level tiers more consistent.
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I know what omiTraya could do before the nerf... I used it several times vs LV. I mean, what can it do with the new omicron.
Is there anything that Traya with the nerfed omicron can do that Traya with no omicron can not do?
So far I don’t see anything it totally can’t. The omicron does everything it did before the nerf aside from guaranteeing a one shot against LV.
You still have a shot against other comps like GAS and Malgus but far less likely without the omicron because the cooldowns just get wrecked.
https://swgoh.gg/gac/who-to-attack/DARTHNIHILUS/
Doesn't look like it was a guaranteed win vs LV. Not even a 90% win rate and a lot worse depending on the lineup. I'm curious how it would have worked if they'd just capped the % bug and left the Dark Side GL part out of it.
Her omi made it so that if you had the right mods and relics then you could finish off LV for the one shot. Watch AhnaldT101’s videos and you’ll see how he modded to make it work.
Now take the omi away and you can still get it down to LV but without some good AB’s and heal blocks stopping his healing it’s far more difficult now.
If you have to two shot it anyway, then her omicron is irrelevant as a counter to LV.
He very clearly said the omicron allows you to one shot, and without the omi you might be able to one shot but it is probably a solo LV cleanup needed. You just also needed to be properly modded, which is almost always the case with counters anyway."Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402574" wrote:
It feels like you guys are getting your lines crossed in this discussion. Some are talking about what the omi used to do, some about what it will do now, and some about the efficacy of what it used to do.
Everyone here knows it used to enable a counter for LV.
Anyone who said it was guaranteed is either being disingenuous or assuming you also have the proper mods and relic levels. This should be apparent from the .gg data, which shows several fails by people assuming it was just an "I win" button with no further investment required. This is also why I was against the nerf. Even with the omi, you needed dedicted, quality mods and proper strategy to make it work (at least in 3v3).
Few have offered concrete examples of what its nerfed state will still counter.- Malgus--data was pretty rough. Pretty easy to get Fear locked and cooldown increased for days, especially against quality Malgus comps
- GAS--if you can trigger the cooldown reset on Nihilus and then get a turn before GAS increases them again... sure. I am interested to see how this plays out, but it sounds like you won't have much agency in the matter unless the clones are coded to focus Nihilus and you run Nihilus lead and Nihilus gets a turn before GAS...
- JML. I found some YouTube vids of it in 5v5. Looks dicey but possible. I do wonder how much the extra stat scaling mattered because the videos I saw looked dicey.
Back to Jakdnels question, I've yet to see someone offer a counter enabled by the nerfed omi that looks consistent and valuable enough to be worthy of an omi. I hope to be proven wrong this season, in which case I will reapply the omi.
If you have it applied there's a better than zero chance it's gonna be available in the next GAC. It's scheduled to start on the 30th and they don't usually push updates on the weekend or Mondays.
It would be nice to have those resources to put on a different character before the next GAC.- Malgus--data was pretty rough. Pretty easy to get Fear locked and cooldown increased for days, especially against quality Malgus comps
"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402620" wrote:
Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).
What's free about it? It cost 20 omicron mats..."Jakdnels;c-2402634" wrote:
"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402620" wrote:
Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).
What's free about it? It cost 20 omicron mats...
You already spent that. It's free to get more information about it."TVF;c-2402636" wrote:
"Jakdnels;c-2402634" wrote:
"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2402620" wrote:
Another way to look at it. If they wait to refund/rollback the omi until after GAC lock, you get a free trial period of 1 week to see how the new version works (or doesn't).
What's free about it? It cost 20 omicron mats...
You already spent that. It's free to get more information about it.
I guess, but when I spent those mats it was after seeing what it was doing. It was an informed spend. I didn't sign up to be a beta tester.
That's why I was asking what it could do now because I doubt it'll counter LV anymore.
I'm currently out 20 omicron mats that I could use elsewhere. I don't see that as free. I see it as bait and switch, (albeit temporary and not really a huge issue)
