To start, let me state that I despise GA and I’m clearly not the only one. While I’m fortunate enough to have revan and traya, I still don’t find PvP activities enjoyable. If you want to stop inactives from joining in, you need to incentivize opting out. While a lot of people are quick to say no one is forced to join, that argument is misguided. This game is designed around creating bottlenecks which is why every player wants to grab as many resources as they can get their hands on. While no one is forcing players to hit the join button, any rational person is going to hit it since getting something is better than getting nothing.Possibly rewarding players with something that’s better than last place should keep a bulk of the inactives away since joining GA would then be disadvantageous. While I’m sure people will make the argument that non-participants should never earn more than those who put in work, i would hope that the improved state of the event might be worth the concession.Also, before I get flamed, I’ve always set full defenses and a few times, have even messaged opponents in game to ask if they had any defensive requests. In my personal case, I get very obsessive compulsive with PvP and I feel the need to study my opponents rosters, mods, anticipate which teams will show on D, which hard counters they do and don’t have for my teams, etc... which I don’t particularly enjoy but feel compelled to do. I also don’t have the time or desire to theorycraft defensive teams and offensive counters. But that’s my issue to deal with and i hope a little insight from a non-GA fanboy could help the event since I know a lot of people do enjoy the game mode and it’s a shame that those people are suffering because of others. I’m interested in people’s thoughts about this.

it will never happen for the exact issue you say is not an issue. they will never incentivize not playing a game mode.

Giving better rewards to not play a new game mode, . .. . That should not need to be pointed out how. . . .special .. that idea is. There are better and more appropriate ideas to handle that, If it’s an issue,. . . After a first round, the other two will typically be active, Personally. I have never seen a zero def yet,

"Hun9So1o;c-1759208" wrote:"Kyno;c-1759016" wrote:it will never happen for the exact issue you say is not an issue. they will never incentivize not playing a game mode. I’m not sure what I said was “not an issue”"GhostTruckin;c-1759073" wrote:Giving better rewards to not play a new game mode, . .. . That should not need to be pointed out how. . . .special .. that idea is. There are better and more appropriate ideas to handle that, If it’s an issue,. . . After a first round, the other two will typically be active, Personally. I have never seen a zero def yet, You can keep your passive aggressiveness to yourself. But It sounds like you misunderstood my suggestion. Just make the rewards slightly better then last place. As anyone can see, last place rewards still suck but people will still hit the join button for the same reason they’re gonna still sim the training droid event. You’re still getting something. I have guildmates that have seen 0 defenses through the second round. I’m sure it’s not common but nonetheless, people are **** about losing out on credits and not able to progress in quest lines due to opponents not setting defenses. We can see that with peoples constant complaint posts here and on reddit about this exact issue.It was just a suggestion... if you start temporarily banning players or whatever the other suggestions were to crack down on this, you may start seeing protest defenses like hermit alone in the north and 3po south which really doesn’t solve the problem. This was just a possible alternative that I really haven’t seen yet and figured I’d bring it up. I think it's a terrible idea to punish players for trying, and reward players for not trying.

"leef;c-1759258" wrote:"Feefyefoefum;c-1759245" wrote:I suspect that those players with rosters that aren't very GA friendly have already decided that they can't win, so no point trying, just join, do nothing and take some free rewards.Which is a poor attitude towards all the other players in your GA group.Is it really? Is it worse than wanting to pound an opponent into oblivion because he has zero chance to win to begin with? I'd say it's equally selfish. So if I (or any other player) looks at my opponents roster and find I do have an advantage I should just say to myself 'well they have made different choices within the game, so I better go easy and not use this toon or that toon... better leave out that squad, they have no counter to them.' Honestly? Would you do that to any opponent in the Squad or Fleet Arena?I want an opponent to fight. Someone who joins with no intention of actively participating but is then going to take the GA rewards is acting selfishly imo

"Feefyefoefum;c-1759288" wrote:"leef;c-1759258" wrote:"Feefyefoefum;c-1759245" wrote:I suspect that those players with rosters that aren't very GA friendly have already decided that they can't win, so no point trying, just join, do nothing and take some free rewards.Which is a poor attitude towards all the other players in your GA group.Is it really? Is it worse than wanting to pound an opponent into oblivion because he has zero chance to win to begin with? I'd say it's equally selfish. So if I (or any other player) looks at my opponents roster and find I do have an advantage I should just say to myself 'well they have made different choices within the game, so I better go easy and not use this toon or that toon... better leave out that squad, they have no counter to them.' Honestly? Would you do that to any opponent in the Squad or Fleet Arena?I want an opponent to fight. Someone who joins with no intention of actively participating but is then going to take the GA rewards is acting selfishly imoNo, i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it's kinda unfair to say that players who don't set a def have a poor attitude towards all other players in the GA group. Why would someone set a def only to get annihilated by a much stronger opponent? To please the guy who takes pleasure in absolutely destroying a much weaker opponent? sounds like a rather selfish request to ask someone to place a def only for it to be annihilated. I do however agree that ideally you're matched equally and both parties try to win.

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NyKynoe
6 years ago
it will never happen for the exact issue you say is not an issue. they will never incentivize not playing a game mode.
GhostTrucking
6 years ago
Giving better rewards to not play a new game mode, . .. . That should not need to be pointed out how. . . .special .. that idea is.

There are better and more appropriate ideas to handle that, If it’s an issue,. . . After a first round, the other two will typically be active, Personally. I have never seen a zero def yet,
Murcno
6 years ago
"Hun9So1o;c-1759208" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1759016" wrote:
it will never happen for the exact issue you say is not an issue. they will never incentivize not playing a game mode.

I’m not sure what I said was “not an issue”

"GhostTruckin;c-1759073" wrote:
Giving better rewards to not play a new game mode, . .. . That should not need to be pointed out how. . . .special .. that idea is.

There are better and more appropriate ideas to handle that, If it’s an issue,. . . After a first round, the other two will typically be active, Personally. I have never seen a zero def yet,

You can keep your passive aggressiveness to yourself. But It sounds like you misunderstood my suggestion. Just make the rewards slightly better then last place. As anyone can see, last place rewards still suck but people will still hit the join button for the same reason they’re gonna still sim the training droid event. You’re still getting something. I have guildmates that have seen 0 defenses through the second round. I’m sure it’s not common but nonetheless, people are **** about losing out on credits and not able to progress in quest lines due to opponents not setting defenses. We can see that with peoples constant complaint posts here and on reddit about this exact issue.

It was just a suggestion... if you start temporarily banning players or whatever the other suggestions were to crack down on this, you may start seeing protest defenses like hermit alone in the north and 3po south which really doesn’t solve the problem. This was just a possible alternative that I really haven’t seen yet and figured I’d bring it up.

I think it's a terrible idea to punish players for trying, and reward players for not trying.
FeeFyeFoeFum
6 years ago
"leef;c-1759258" wrote:
"Feefyefoefum;c-1759245" wrote:
I suspect that those players with rosters that aren't very GA friendly have already decided that they can't win, so no point trying, just join, do nothing and take some free rewards.

Which is a poor attitude towards all the other players in your GA group.

Is it really? Is it worse than wanting to pound an opponent into oblivion because he has zero chance to win to begin with? I'd say it's equally selfish.

So if I (or any other player) looks at my opponents roster and find I do have an advantage I should just say to myself 'well they have made different choices within the game, so I better go easy and not use this toon or that toon... better leave out that squad, they have no counter to them.'

Honestly? Would you do that to any opponent in the Squad or Fleet Arena?

I want an opponent to fight. Someone who joins with no intention of actively participating but is then going to take the GA rewards is acting selfishly imo
emvedebe
6 years ago
"Feefyefoefum;c-1759288" wrote:
"leef;c-1759258" wrote:
"Feefyefoefum;c-1759245" wrote:
I suspect that those players with rosters that aren't very GA friendly have already decided that they can't win, so no point trying, just join, do nothing and take some free rewards.

Which is a poor attitude towards all the other players in your GA group.

Is it really? Is it worse than wanting to pound an opponent into oblivion because he has zero chance to win to begin with? I'd say it's equally selfish.

So if I (or any other player) looks at my opponents roster and find I do have an advantage I should just say to myself 'well they have made different choices within the game, so I better go easy and not use this toon or that toon... better leave out that squad, they have no counter to them.'

Honestly? Would you do that to any opponent in the Squad or Fleet Arena?

I want an opponent to fight. Someone who joins with no intention of actively participating but is then going to take the GA rewards is acting selfishly imo

No, i'm not saying that at all. I'm saying it's kinda unfair to say that players who don't set a def have a poor attitude towards all other players in the GA group.
Why would someone set a def only to get annihilated by a much stronger opponent? To please the guy who takes pleasure in absolutely destroying a much weaker opponent? sounds like a rather selfish request to ask someone to place a def only for it to be annihilated.
I do however agree that ideally you're matched equally and both parties try to win.
Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
"leef;c-1759258" wrote:
"Feefyefoefum;c-1759245" wrote:
I suspect that those players with rosters that aren't very GA friendly have already decided that they can't win, so no point trying, just join, do nothing and take some free rewards.

Which is a poor attitude towards all the other players in your GA group.

Is it really? Is it worse than wanting to pound an opponent into oblivion because he has zero chance to win to begin with? I'd say it's equally selfish.

I'm a staunch GA defender, and I can honestly say I don't have any desire to "pound my opponent into oblivion because they have zero chance to win." If you really think that's why guys like me are irritated by non-participants, that's more reflective of your own insecurity than anything.

I just want to actually play. To set my defenses and then wait a full 24 hours, only to find out that I can't actually do anything, is a massive letdown. I'll admit that I enjoy getting the credits for each win as well, but who doesn't need more credits? (Yes, I know some people have tens of millions just collecting dust. I and anyone near my GP level don't.)

The free win is fine, I guess, but I will happily take the chance of losing every time if it means I actually get to use all these characters that normally warm the bench. It has nothing to do with inflating my ego by winning. It has everything to do with wanting actual gameplay when I play a game.
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"leef;c-1759316" wrote:
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Why would someone set a def only to get annihilated by a much stronger opponent? To please the guy who takes pleasure in absolutely destroying a much weaker opponent? sounds like a rather selfish request to ask someone to place a def only for it to be annihilated. ..

Because setting defenses is part of the game mode?

That's like saying, "I'm not going to attack the raid boss because it's just going to hit enrage and kill my team anyways..."

Who cares if they're much stronger? What does one gain by setting no defenses? Nothing. And at the same time they're depriving the other guy of credits/quest progression. That's lazy and selfish. If they want to protest GA matchmaking, just don't join the game mode.
LiathSW
6 years ago
I would like some of these no defense opponents everyone else seems to be getting. Most of my opponents are putting nearly all of their good characters on defense. Who wants to trade?!
FeeFyeFoeFum
6 years ago
"leef;c-1759338" wrote:
"Feefyefoefum;c-1759330" wrote:

They might surprise themselves but if they aren't even going to try, what is the point of even joining?

I assume they will try if they think they've got a chance of winning, other than that you should obviously always join for the rewards.
I'm not saying that isn't selfish, i'm saying everyone is selfish.

I don't think that expecting an opponent who has to actively choose to join an event to then actually participate in that event is not selfish

I think someone who joins simply to do nothing and then expects to take rewards for it, regardless of how it effects the other people in that event, IS a selfish act

The game doesn't care how strong the defenses are, just spend 2 mins picking the dross from the bottom of your roster to fill in the required spaces. Just that. If you then decide that might want to attack then you still have the top of your roster to play with. That would take such a tiny of effort or time, anyone should be able to do it.
KaiMulai
6 years ago
I don't think it's as much of a GP bracket issue as a competitiveness issue. Players at or near the top in arena are more likely to have stronger rosters, gear, mods, etc. because they're more competitive and want to win. Players who are more interested in collecting don't have the same drive or motivation to compete. And since we are matched by power, more recent competitive players are likely to get matched with long time collection players because there are fewer competitive players in the game.