Enough of the Galactic Challange difficulty

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2227554" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227440" wrote:

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227439" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227379" wrote:

"Enas_Yorl;c-2227368" wrote:
its not a puzzle. its simply not a mode of having fun and just play. Because you always need some C- Toons at relic which -suprise- are quiete new in the game and are more or less useless for other modes.

Which C toons need to be at what relic levels?

Mando obviously lol cmon

The Mandalorian is not a C grade toon.

Beskar Mando I dont believe needs to be relic level, but I cant say for sure until I have tried this later with my G11 BAM, may take him up to 12. I wouldnt quite put him as C grade either, he is pretty solid, just doesnt have a great team yet (although he does work very well in scoundrel teams, but maybe that's just me)

If he is teamed with just mandaloria, I would say he is c+, but if he is teamed with scoundrels, he becomes a solid A

That's makes him not a C grade toon, and worth investing in.

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

"Kyno;c-2227751" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

That's great and all but needing a full squad of Mandos and Beskar Mando is by NO means a priority for me right now. And yeah if I wanted to brute force it I would spend $. I don't want to spend and I don't force it. But you can't really say that that this is a puzzle game when it's basically the same feats every other week. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't care about GC's even remotely enough to bother. So getting box 4 is where I'm at every other week. I appreciate you defending the game and the way to play but most of this new stuff is to appease krakens and day one players that have most at higher gears and R levels. I get that, but man is it a real kick in the pants when you want to get that next higher box and can't.

"twstdbydsn;c-2227841" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227751" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

That's great and all but needing a full squad of Mandos and Beskar Mando is by NO means a priority for me right now. And yeah if I wanted to brute force it I would spend $. I don't want to spend and I don't force it. But you can't really say that that this is a puzzle game when it's basically the same feats every other week. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't care about GC's even remotely enough to bother. So getting box 4 is where I'm at every other week. I appreciate you defending the game and the way to play but most of this new stuff is to appease krakens and day one players that have most at higher gears and R levels. I get that, but man is it a real kick in the pants when you want to get that next higher box and can't.

You can see in some other posts that people are claiming hours of play and high relic are not doing it, so even throwing $$ at it doesnt seem to be the puzzle, its actual game play.

Of course it cant be a priority for everyone, but that still doesnt mean the only way is $$. Some have switched priority to make this work, investment in this game is more than just money.

You are absolutely wrong, again players who are not krakens are making this work, and no they are not all day one players.

This game has always been about choices, you want to choose to settle for a prize box, as some posts suggest, some are, and others are willing to divert some stuff to make it work.

You can call this defending the game, but I'm just talking about game play and strategy posted by other players. (I dont think they are all krakens, but you can ask)

This is new content and the game will always try to push and pull players to do things, some can make it work others cannot, it's not right or wrong. This game mode is fairly flexible and they are throwing in themes, some will work out for more players than others, it's just the nature of the player base being as wide as it is.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2227844" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227841" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227751" wrote:

"twstdbydsn;c-2227742" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227058" wrote:

"cboath7;c-2227053" wrote:

"Ultra;c-2226714" wrote:

"Shadroth;c-2226709" wrote:
I agree, I’m just wingeing about the difficulty tuning ?‍♂️
Typical forum post, complain about the lack of content and then winge when I can’t beat the content

The difficulty is fine

The difficulty I don't think is the issue. The issue, at least for a lot of people, is that if you have a 7 tier event, you do expect it to get harder as it goes, but you don't expect to be able to do 1-4 with your eyes closed and then have T5 curb stomp you with impunity. That's the case frequently.

If you have people expecting to get through it with a bunch of toons at 10K power each, then yeah, they're just delusional. But when you have 6 Jedi R3 or better, you shouldn't be getting routed at T5. Now, they may have a reason for this, I mean, I can think of one, but they don't explain themselves the vast majority of the time. If the whole point is so that most people can get through 1-4 (and get something for their effort) and then 5-7 are the equivalent of challenge tiers, so be it, but when you don't say that, it comes across as very poor design. I'd just say, when you stagger tiers, if you want people to invest more in it, you've got to give them a reason. Getting curb stomped in T5 doesn't make the vast majority of people say, "if i just make these guys better, i can get through". It flat out doesn't. It makes them say "screw this". I know people in the 5M+ GP range who say this, so it's clearly not because they don't have the rosters for it.

Considering you do not have to do it tier by teir, it comes across odd to call out bad design, when your doing it "not how it was designed" to be done.

I also dont see the need for any "smooth curve design", maybe you can clarify why it would need to be that way, or even should be?

It's a puzzle, not a GP or even gear check. Giving up because you dont want to do the puzzle, has nothing to do with GP. Not everyone likes this kind of element, fine, but more often than not in each GC, gear has not been a hard requirement, strategy and moding the right way with a few key toons seems to be working out.

You guys keep saying puzzle and its not. You give specific feats and then then we can't use a good part of the collection to even attempt them. The only puzzle piece that fits is $.

If this is your take on things then you seem to be missing the puzzle. Many getting either the 1st or second box with f2p toons/teams, take some time and look at those threads and examples.

If you think the only way is with $$, then you are trying to brute force things and/or dont want to spend any time (which is understandable, as not everyone has the time), but by no means does that mean you need to put $$ down to beat GCs.

That's great and all but needing a full squad of Mandos and Beskar Mando is by NO means a priority for me right now. And yeah if I wanted to brute force it I would spend $. I don't want to spend and I don't force it. But you can't really say that that this is a puzzle game when it's basically the same feats every other week. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't care about GC's even remotely enough to bother. So getting box 4 is where I'm at every other week. I appreciate you defending the game and the way to play but most of this new stuff is to appease krakens and day one players that have most at higher gears and R levels. I get that, but man is it a real kick in the pants when you want to get that next higher box and can't.

I have got Beskar Mando for the first time this GC. Up to now I’ve got box 7 on non Mando GCs and box 6 on the others.

If you’re only getting box 4 every other week, either your roster isn’t deserving of better rewards, or your efforts aren’t.

ok I threw out a number, box 4 is this week, others have been 5 or 6 so maybe I was being a bit cantankerous. I sure don't expect the top box every week. Oh well, what can I say maybe I'm wrong about the GC's.

"Kyno;c-2227641" wrote:

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2227554" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227440" wrote:

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227439" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227379" wrote:

"Enas_Yorl;c-2227368" wrote:
its not a puzzle. its simply not a mode of having fun and just play. Because you always need some C- Toons at relic which -suprise- are quiete new in the game and are more or less useless for other modes.

Which C toons need to be at what relic levels?

Mando obviously lol cmon

The Mandalorian is not a C grade toon.

Beskar Mando I dont believe needs to be relic level, but I cant say for sure until I have tried this later with my G11 BAM, may take him up to 12. I wouldnt quite put him as C grade either, he is pretty solid, just doesnt have a great team yet (although he does work very well in scoundrel teams, but maybe that's just me)

If he is teamed with just mandaloria, I would say he is c+, but if he is teamed with scoundrels, he becomes a solid A

That's makes him not a C grade toon, and worth investing in.

If he’s A toon with scoundrels put him in your arena team (full scoundrel team). Pls report back after 48 hours

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227852" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227641" wrote:

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2227554" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227440" wrote:

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227439" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227379" wrote:

"Enas_Yorl;c-2227368" wrote:
its not a puzzle. its simply not a mode of having fun and just play. Because you always need some C- Toons at relic which -suprise- are quiete new in the game and are more or less useless for other modes.

Which C toons need to be at what relic levels?

Mando obviously lol cmon

The Mandalorian is not a C grade toon.

Beskar Mando I dont believe needs to be relic level, but I cant say for sure until I have tried this later with my G11 BAM, may take him up to 12. I wouldnt quite put him as C grade either, he is pretty solid, just doesnt have a great team yet (although he does work very well in scoundrel teams, but maybe that's just me)

If he is teamed with just mandaloria, I would say he is c+, but if he is teamed with scoundrels, he becomes a solid A

That's makes him not a C grade toon, and worth investing in.

If he’s A toon with scoundrels put him in your arena team (full scoundrel team). Pls report back after 48 hours

If I left my SLKR in my shard (like I did last night) I will drop to the 30s in less than 24 hours.

Are you suggesting he is not an A toon/team?

Arena is a different beast than GAC and TW in that regard, teams are used in both areas with great effect that have nothing to do with arena, at least not any more.

Scoundrels also have an increasing solid place in some PvE content as we move forward.

All things combined he is a solid toon, and the rating of any character has more to it than arena.

Generally I've been accepting of the GC difficulty, but I think the current one (Mandos vs BH) is somewhat harder. It's the first GC with both a Mando team feat and a Beskar feat, but that's not my issue. My ragtag Mandos (G12 Jango, R0 Candy, G8 Armorer/Mando/Sabine) could beat T4 of earlier Mando GCs, but limped through T2 this time. That's partly because 1-2 strong toons can't carry the team, the opposing Mando dusts them. Anyway, the fight just seems harder to me this time.

"Kyno;c-2227854" wrote:

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227852" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227641" wrote:

"Itsa_me_Malario;c-2227554" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227440" wrote:

"Mitchell_1313;c-2227439" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2227379" wrote:

"Enas_Yorl;c-2227368" wrote:
its not a puzzle. its simply not a mode of having fun and just play. Because you always need some C- Toons at relic which -suprise- are quiete new in the game and are more or less useless for other modes.

Which C toons need to be at what relic levels?

Mando obviously lol cmon

The Mandalorian is not a C grade toon.

Beskar Mando I dont believe needs to be relic level, but I cant say for sure until I have tried this later with my G11 BAM, may take him up to 12. I wouldnt quite put him as C grade either, he is pretty solid, just doesnt have a great team yet (although he does work very well in scoundrel teams, but maybe that's just me)

If he is teamed with just mandaloria, I would say he is c+, but if he is teamed with scoundrels, he becomes a solid A

That's makes him not a C grade toon, and worth investing in.

If he’s A toon with scoundrels put him in your arena team (full scoundrel team). Pls report back after 48 hours

If I left my SLKR in my shard (like I did last night) I will drop to the 30s in less than 24 hours.

Are you suggesting he is not an A toon/team?

Arena is a different beast than GAC and TW in that regard, teams are used in both areas with great effect that have nothing to do with arena, at least not any more.

Scoundrels also have an increasing solid place in some PvE content as we move forward.

All things combined he is a solid toon, and the rating of any character has more to it than arena.

Wild. So from my message you interpreted that dropping to 30 automatically means an arena team isn’t good? All I said was put a scoundrel team like that in your arena team and to report back in 48 hours. Try not to read into the lines too much :)