February speculation (MERGE)

"Cossin;c-1413544" wrote:

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"Cstone812;c-1412837" wrote:
Yea exactly what everyone wants. Horrible characters from TLJ. Barf.

No one said everyone but no one said no one.

Basically, speak for yourself. I want two more Res characters for my two Res teams.

Also I'd like Snoke and Hux.

Hux? Seriously? The emo Ron Weasley that was the laughing stock of the last movie? Yea he was such a badass character.

Ok, your dislike is noted. Thanks.

Some kind of justification for Hux would be interesting - I just don't see anything there that would be desirable to have as a toon, but maybe I'm missing something. Is he already desirable in a joke-like way similar to how many would want Jar Jar? He's almost like they took Dark Helmet's character from Space Balls and actually put it in a SW movie. That's what I get from the character, but what are you finding appealing? Not trying to debate, but just genuinely intrigued to hear a different view.

I like Hux as well. I believe he is way more than what meets the eye. If you put TLJ in context with Rian‘s other works, and the subtle (or rather slapped in your face, which for whatever reason a lot people didn‘t get but took as presented) message of the film, it is clear what I am aiming at.
Additionally, did you realize for example, that when when Snoke talks about

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the benefits of keeping a rabid cur at his side. He is not talking about Hux? During the hunting he has proven to be -whether it makes much sense- be more of a tactician as well. Thinking things through. Instead of simply sending Tie squadrons in and loosing people, he tried to minimize losses.
Even Snoke, after initially wanting to punish him for loosing the artillery dreadnought kind of praised him and approved his tactic.
After Snoke‘s demise, he points his weapon at Kylo and decides not to shoot him. His „rival“...
When Kylo wants to fight Luke, he is the one trying to hold back the rabid cur and is being force thrown into the wall.
Hux is a good and reasonable commander, who seems to take risks when necessary and avoids them, when necessary.
At least that‘s my impression of him, although he got included in comical scenes on purpose to make us believe he‘s a clown.
Remember we have been told MANY times in the movie and the movie‘s messages, that not everything is as it seems and that there are deception, manipulation and diversions everywhere throughout the film!

So, looking at him from TFA and TLJ standpoint, I like Hux and want him as well. First and foremost as capital ship commander of a resurgent-class star destroyer. He makes most sense as a fleetcommander as he in fact IS in both movies and I ponder what kind of toon he‘d get. I can actually imagine a R2 like support toon with buffs for FO-teams. Inspirational speeches as cherry on top XD

I'm a darkside player here in GoH - I prefer their kits and how they play with debuffs and control, etc. I'd love to be on team FO / darkside, but ....

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Sadly to me - the movie made the FO characters pretty lame. Snoke ended up being a pretty big joke and disappointment getting killed so fast and with no development at all. Kill him to further the story of Kylo and his journey - totally understand - but he was waxed so unceremoniously it was extremely anti-climactic. I didn't expect him to die in this movie at all, so death at any stage would have been a shock and big switch from expectations...this style of death though was just disappointing. You couldn't have found a player that wanted Snoke more than me prior to seeing the movie...but having him here would just remind me of how lame his character was in the story. Hux was made to be a fool by Poe's stall joke that was morphing in to a your mama joke at the end...so ... just have zero interest in either of these guys now. Note that I did like TLJ so I'm not a TLJ hater - I liked that it was different from prior SW and wasn't straight out of the can and formulaic..but these two characters really got the short end of the stick IMO.

EDIT: And they did the same to Captain Phasma....surprising as she actually has a full novel about her, but they just canned her with hardly any respect at all. Again I liked TLJ as a whole for it's overall story and different take, but they really did just toss nearly all the major FO characters in trash can in this movie. I think after watching the movie, the FO characters I have the most respect and desire for now are the Praetorian Guards. The rest of the movie just made me wonder how such a sad sack of villains could even have gotten to the point of being dominant over the galaxy. SW needs to start showing the villains at their peaks because the "off screen" competency and "on screen" incompetency they always portray is so drastic... LTJ in particular was pretty drastic depiction relative to the OT or prequels.

Well, you see that they switched the roles of Rebels and Empire in Resistance and First Order, do you? While the Empire had debuffs and Rebels had buffs, they made an 180° on that with Resistance and First Order, thus I strongly believe that Hux wouldn‘t be the debuff type.

While there is truth behind what you say in relation to the movie as is, I expect massive reveals in Ep IX, and here is why:


There are so many comments from Rian that make so much more sense if we do not take TLJ at face value.
Snoke‘s most likely not dead. Throughout the film he shows how much more powerful of a force user he is than any other character we‘ve got to know so far and he keeps talking about his plans, manipulations and deceitfulness.
It‘s like they slapped us in the face with his op-ness, then slapped us in the face with his truly anti-climatic 'death'.

Why he‘s not dead you‘d might ask:
-deception
-super powerful
-very old (if he was to die so easily he wouldn’t have gotten that old)
-introduction of force projection <— and this is the major point

Compare TFA Snoke with TLJ Snoke. They actually look different. TLJ Snoke looks younger, less shriveled and even has fewer scars/less deep scars. You know who else looked quite younger? Luke.
Snoke might not even look like Snoke. Apparently you can alter your whole look when projecting. Maybe Snoke is actually of the same species as Yoda? Maybe Hux is actually Snoke and pretends to be the fool? (Okay given the last ones are pure speculation and quite a stretch. Yet, the differences in style are more than 'mistakes', they are way too apparent.)
Also, similar to Luke, Snoke has never been touched, nor did he touch someone. Iirc, he even stopped slightly before touching Rey‘s chin. I‘m pretty sure a powerful being like him can fake to be halved by a lightsaber/lightsword as well.
Maybe he orchestrated it so, that a new Sith is born (Kylo). Kylo as apprentice kills his master the same way Siths usually did since the rule of two.
That would make Kylo a new Sith, while Rey with the books would be a new Jedi... who knows

The whole movie's plot was, nothing is as it seems. Luke, Snoke, Rey‘s parents (Kylo is right, but wrong as well with the dead Junkers), Leia's death. Everything has been turned, twisted in unexpected ways. Heck, even if it is the one that annoys me most, Holdo jumping with the Raddus into the Supremacy wasn‘t what was expected -or wanted as it leads to question why the rebels as desperate as they have been, not simply autopiloted ships into the death stars or super dreadnaughts like the Executor...

For what reason Snoke played Resistance and First Order alike, we can only speculate. Maybe he belongs to a third faction and wants to get rid of both? Maybe he is the Prime Jedi and tries to bring balance by getting rid of extremist dark and light factions?
But it would be the de facto worst movie ever created, if proven otherwise (from plot to mere depiction of characters, which I doubt happened. I rather think we just haven‘t seen the full picture)
I additionally do not believe that Phasma died. We thought she died in TFA, she didn‘t.
We expect her to die a fiery death in TLJ, I assume she didn‘t. She might be disfigured and blind on one eye, but I doubt she is dead.


I personally think TLJ was the worst film in the Star Wars franchise even counting the Ewok Christmas specials!
Yet, depending on Episode IX it could turn into a, not so straight forward film after film, new step into a new generation of Star Wars storytelling. Which would still make for a bad ep 8 but an awesome combination of ep8&9 that need to be regarded as belonging together as coherent story.

That‘s my 2cents. Well, we‘ll see after Ep IX whether Star Wars went down the drain or not...

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