Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%. In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

"madhader;d-267464" wrote:Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%. In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC. Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

Many guilds above 500mil gp are sandbaging. They prefer to have like 3 wins than 4 loses, despite that part of their guild is playing less tw, it is still better for them in rewards. It is funny when 2 such guilds are matched ;). My guild is considering doing the same, we are like 450mil and we would like to avoid guilds 550mil who can easily play in 40 players against guilds like mine. If game allows that, why not.

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:"madhader;d-267464" wrote:Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%. In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC. Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy. Yes,they do, and not one.

"Gawejn;c-2452055" wrote:"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:"madhader;d-267464" wrote:Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%. In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC. Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy. Yes,they do, and not one.Two questions:1. How do you know (and I do mean know) other guilds sandbag?2. What do you mean by “not one”?

"Gawejn;c-2452058" wrote:"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452057" wrote:"Gawejn;c-2452055" wrote:"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:"madhader;d-267464" wrote:Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%. In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC. Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy. Yes,they do, and not one.Two questions:1. How do you know (and I do mean know) other guilds sandbag?2. What do you mean by “not one”?2 of those guilds, i know from checking their tw history (my guild had a war against one of them, we got destroyed) Third guild i know couse my friend told me who plays in this guild. I can give you names of those guilds, but prefer not to, couse it is not about who. How does someone’s TW record show that they’re sandbagging? Sometimes guilds have different members taking part for different wars because of… real life commitments. Not every member of a guild can do every TW.If someone in a guild has told you they sandbag them that’s fair enough, but it’s still dumb of their TW officer to institute that as the overall net effect on their guild is negative. That’s bad officering (if that’s a verb).

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notthatguybefor
2 years ago
"madhader;d-267464" wrote:
Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%.

In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
Many guilds above 500mil gp are sandbaging. They prefer to have like 3 wins than 4 loses, despite that part of their guild is playing less tw, it is still better for them in rewards. It is funny when 2 such guilds are matched ;). My guild is considering doing the same, we are like 450mil and we would like to avoid guilds 550mil who can easily play in 40 players against guilds like mine. If game allows that, why not.
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:
"madhader;d-267464" wrote:
Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%.

In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

Yes,they do, and not one.
notthatguybefor
2 years ago
"Gawejn;c-2452055" wrote:
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:
"madhader;d-267464" wrote:
Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%.

In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

Yes,they do, and not one.

Two questions:

1. How do you know (and I do mean know) other guilds sandbag?
2. What do you mean by “not one”?
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452057" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-2452055" wrote:
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:
"madhader;d-267464" wrote:
Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%.

In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

Yes,they do, and not one.

Two questions:

1. How do you know (and I do mean know) other guilds sandbag?
2. What do you mean by “not one”?

2 of those guilds, i know from checking their tw history (my guild had a war against one of them, we got destroyed)
Third guild i know couse my friend told me who plays in this guild.
I can give you names of those guilds, but prefer not to, couse it is not about who.
notthatguybefor
2 years ago
"Gawejn;c-2452058" wrote:
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452057" wrote:
"Gawejn;c-2452055" wrote:
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:
"madhader;d-267464" wrote:
Why hasn’t TW matchmaking been fixed like GAC? Between blatant sandbagging and the horrible MM algorithm, you are either given a guaranteed win or a guaranteed loss. It has caused way less interaction and even desire to focus on TW omis since CG has made it so that it literally doesn’t matter. Their algo decides if you win or lose, not your strategy or skill. Is it possible to incorporate the same or similar skill rating system as GAC? Seems like that would make it more fair. Don’t base it on total GP participating. This round we got placed against the #13 guild. Doesn’t seem fair at all. It’s not like we were on a winning streak. To the contrary. Likely we win one, lose two. We had about a 75% win rate before the algo was changed. It has forcibly pushed our win rate down to just about 50%.

In short, please change the TW MM system to a skill based one similar to GAC.

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

Yes,they do, and not one.

Two questions:

1. How do you know (and I do mean know) other guilds sandbag?
2. What do you mean by “not one”?

2 of those guilds, i know from checking their tw history (my guild had a war against one of them, we got destroyed)
Third guild i know couse my friend told me who plays in this guild.
I can give you names of those guilds, but prefer not to, couse it is not about who.

How does someone’s TW record show that they’re sandbagging? Sometimes guilds have different members taking part for different wars because of… real life commitments. Not every member of a guild can do every TW.

If someone in a guild has told you they sandbag them that’s fair enough, but it’s still dumb of their TW officer to institute that as the overall net effect on their guild is negative. That’s bad officering (if that’s a verb).
M4DH4D3R
Seasoned Adventurer
2 years ago
"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2452053" wrote:

Does any guild actually, deliberately, sandbag others? It would just be dumb given the difference between rewards for 1st and 2nd, forcibly removing rewards for a portion of the guild you’d inevitably end up worse off even if you won all of those matches as opposed to losing all with a full guild.

It sounds more like your guild has simply hit its ceiling, and if you feel like you’re hitting guaranteed losses maybe you need to rethink your strategy.

In short, yes, they absolutely do. I have been told by several that it is a strategy they use. However, focusing on just that component completely missed my point. This isn’t a “get better, noob” scenario. But, thank you for your well thought out response in that regard.

It doesn’t matter if someone sandbags on purpose or not. If we get matched up with a guild solely based on total participating GP yet they severely outmatch us in every single aspect, then the matchmaking system is bad, not our strategy. It was the same issue before in GAC when you had to focus on GP management since that could match you up against people who severely outmatched you. My point is, that is still something that happens in TW, and with such a focus on necessary bloated GP for TB it is something that needs to be addressed in TW just like it was addressed in GAC.
Whatelse73
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
Maybe in 2024 something will get updated with TW. Maybe not.

The algorithm is pretty simple, if you lose two, you should be able to win the next two, then you'll probably lose two, and so on.

You might think guilds are sandbagging, but that could be because you're winning a couple, so you get matched against someone tougher. (Which for them is an "easier" match up)

Complaining about TW is useless and probably more useless than any other system in place. Just take the loss, get your rewards, and move on. (Some guilds area just joining, putting a defense, and getting their 50 points each and moving on.)
whatthefoxswgoh
Rising Scout
2 years ago
It’s the worst game mode, nothing is a close second. Outcome is determined before it starts. So you have one side that does not try or care. It is pointless. Join, set defense and collect rewards.
Gawejn1000
2 years ago
"Whatelse73;c-2452073" wrote:
Maybe in 2024 something will get updated with TW. Maybe not.

The algorithm is pretty simple, if you lose two, you should be able to win the next two, then you'll probably lose two, and so on.

You might think guilds are sandbagging, but that could be because you're winning a couple, so you get matched against someone tougher. (Which for them is an "easier" match up)

Complaining about TW is useless and probably more useless than any other system in place. Just take the loss, get your rewards, and move on. (Some guilds area just joining, putting a defense, and getting their 50 points each and moving on.)

No, there are guilds who are sandbagging couse players are admitting to do it.