Fleet Commanders Imbalanced

I think what you are describing is "balance"

Moffs ship is great when used correctly and with right ships.

"Asic;799402" wrote:
I think what you are describing is "balance"

Moffs ship is great when used correctly and with right ships.

Thats the problem the ships that complement him are very limited and most are vastly more difficult to get than ships that support the others. Additonally you're argument is that of a child at least give some evidence to support your statement. Like how I commented on his lack of use on the leader boards. I also commented on how ackbar is specifically designed to counter grande moff which makes him inert.

"Asic;799402" wrote:
Moffs ship is great when used correctly and with right ships.

This. Tarkin needs multiple ships applying debuffs to work well.

• Vader - Permanent unavoidable irresistible target locks. Without him, consider using a different fleet commander.
  
• FOTP - At max, moves twice as fast as almost any other ship, 80% chance to apply target lock on basic, and no cooldown on 2nd strongest single target ability in ships.
  
• Boba - A solid attacker with decent target lock chance on his basic and an AOE built around target locks.
  
• Fives - Better as a reinforcement in this fleet imho, because you won't be using his AOE until later in the fight. You can use him up front if you want, though.
  
• Biggs - With all the target locks, he should be taunting for days.
  
• Sun Fac - Nice tank to have waiting in reinforcements, only other self taunt (to replace Biggs when he dies).
  

There are definitely ways to utilize Tarkin for devastating results. Unfortunately, right now without Vader he is severely limited. It doesn't help that FOTP's unique is currently broken, so he's not moving twice as fast like he should be (putting another dampener on damage output).

Actually, it seems FOTP's Ship's passive does work... For the AI only.

Yep, fough one, and the AI's was gaining TM properly, while in the same fight, mine didn't.

"Ava_Kdizzle;799429" wrote:
Basically Tarkin is all offense, Mace is all defense, and Ackbar is a mix of the two. Ackbar's ship is the best for early play while the other two might be better end game. Unfortunately, Tarkin has almost no synergy right now with just Tie Pilot and Vader as empire ships and the vader ship is nearly impossible to get. So right now, the other two fleet commanders are much stronger than him.

Your choices, as always, are to go after the strongest ship at the moment for you (likely Ackbar), or invest in who you want and hope that they get a turn in the sun. If it happens, you are golden (bad pun I know), and if not, c'est la vie.

Couldn't have said it better.

"Alsend_Drake;799448" wrote:
Actually, it seems FOTP's Ship's passive does work... For the AI only.

Yep, fough one, and the AI's was gaining TM properly, while in the same fight, mine didn't.

Yeah, noticed that also. Makes challenges against Tarkin fleets harder.

"Ava_Kdizzle;799429" wrote:
Unfortunately, Tarkin has almost no synergy right now with just Tie Pilot and Vader as empire ships and the vader ship is nearly impossible to get.

I agree with everything but this, Ava - Tarkin works with any ships that apply debuffs (most common and most useful one being target locks), and unless he wants the speed bonus to outrun an opposing Tarkin doesn't necessarily want TFP in his opening lineup (why take single target damage when you can have powerful AOE damage?).

"Bomroll;799487" wrote:

"Mageduckey;799428" wrote:

"Asic;799402" wrote:
Moffs ship is great when used correctly and with right ships.

This. Tarkin needs multiple ships applying debuffs to work well.

• Vader - Permanent unavoidable irresistible target locks. Without him, consider using a different fleet commander.
  
• FOTP - At max, moves twice as fast as almost any other ship, 80% chance to apply target lock on basic, and no cooldown on 2nd strongest single target ability in ships.
  
• Boba - A solid attacker with decent target lock chance on his basic and an AOE built around target locks.
  
• Fives - Better as a reinforcement in this fleet imho, because you won't be using his AOE until later in the fight. You can use him up front if you want, though.
  
• Biggs - With all the target locks, he should be taunting for days.
  
• Sun Fac - Nice tank to have waiting in reinforcements, only other self taunt (to replace Biggs when he dies).
  

There are definitely ways to utilize Tarkin for devastating results. Unfortunately, right now without Vader he is severely limited. It doesn't help that FOTP's unique is currently broken, so he's not moving twice as fast like he should be (putting another dampener on damage output).

Now I won't sue if you are wrong but in your experienced opinion who leads the capital ship race at the moment (if you could have any ship) and what would your 7/8 ships be. So im possibly asking is what are you working towards!?

Thanks

At the moment? Probably Mace, just because all of the ships necessary to his core synergy are available to the public (Plo/JC/Ahsoka/Rex+ CS or Fives, as starting lineup). I mean they designed him to have the most synergy coming out of the gate, as evidenced by 6 ships of 19 (at launch) being Republic.

Last December when I first started playing, the meta was Barriss+Lumi+Dooku - heal faster than your opponent can damage you, and run out the clock on Dooku-pong. As new characters were introduced, power creep ensued (it's inevitable) and healers started fading out in favor of speed damage meta.

Ships are starting out with a heavy tank/heal focus and an attempt to stall on defense in order to hold your rank. While this is 110% speculation, I think ships meta will eventually head down the same path of focusing on speed and damage (particularly AOE damage). With that in mind, I am currently pursuing a Tarkin-based fleet that, given the right ships (chiefly Vader, if I can ever get him), should be able to kill almost every enemy ship (barring tanks) by the start of round 2. But it's just a theorycraft right now.

"Mageduckey;799514" wrote:

"Bomroll;799487" wrote:

"Mageduckey;799428" wrote:

"Asic;799402" wrote:
Moffs ship is great when used correctly and with right ships.

This. Tarkin needs multiple ships applying debuffs to work well.

• Vader - Permanent unavoidable irresistible target locks. Without him, consider using a different fleet commander.
  
• FOTP - At max, moves twice as fast as almost any other ship, 80% chance to apply target lock on basic, and no cooldown on 2nd strongest single target ability in ships.
  
• Boba - A solid attacker with decent target lock chance on his basic and an AOE built around target locks.
  
• Fives - Better as a reinforcement in this fleet imho, because you won't be using his AOE until later in the fight. You can use him up front if you want, though.
  
• Biggs - With all the target locks, he should be taunting for days.
  
• Sun Fac - Nice tank to have waiting in reinforcements, only other self taunt (to replace Biggs when he dies).
  

There are definitely ways to utilize Tarkin for devastating results. Unfortunately, right now without Vader he is severely limited. It doesn't help that FOTP's unique is currently broken, so he's not moving twice as fast like he should be (putting another dampener on damage output).

Now I won't sue if you are wrong but in your experienced opinion who leads the capital ship race at the moment (if you could have any ship) and what would your 7/8 ships be. So im possibly asking is what are you working towards!?

Thanks

At the moment? Probably Mace, just because all of the ships necessary to his core synergy are available to the public (Plo/JC/Ahsoka/Rex+ CS or Fives, as starting lineup). I mean they designed him to have the most synergy coming out of the gate, as evidenced by 6 ships of 19 (at launch) being Republic.

Last December when I first started playing, the meta was Barriss+Lumi+Dooku - heal faster than your opponent can damage you, and run out the clock on Dooku-pong. As new characters were introduced, power creep ensued (it's inevitable) and healers started fading out in favor of speed damage meta.

Ships are starting out with a heavy tank/heal focus and an attempt to stall on defense in order to hold your rank. While this is 110% speculation, I think ships meta will eventually head down the same path of focusing on speed and damage (particularly AOE damage). With that in mind, I am currently pursuing a Tarkin-based fleet that, given the right ships (chiefly Vader, if I can ever get him), should be able to kill almost every enemy ship (barring tanks) by the start of round 2. But it's just a theorycraft right now.

Great points all. I agree. Currently I am "focusing" on building my Ackbar fleet (mainly because I have AA at G11 and most of the pilots that work well with him higher as well) - but with a strong "sub-focus" on FOTP, TFP, Boba and hopefully, Vader - for all the reason you listed above.

I agree that right now, Mace/AA are stronger than Tarkin, but eventually, the dark side will prove to be more powerful. ;)

Actually there are only 3 Rebel ships, ,and one of them is both a rare find in Fleet Shipments and a pain to get to max stats due to having two pilots (U-Wing). :)

"Bomroll;799729" wrote:
I'm thinking future content dps will be good so went for that. Managed 5 star Vader with tfp, 5s sun fac and biggs opener with most often the other tie Poe and either Consular or a low star maul

You should really get FOTP in your starting lineup - once they fix his unique (doesn't work right now) he will be a beast at single target damage.