GA Fleet Imbalance

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

“Believe it or not: My alt successfully applied this strategy in 3 battles now against opponents with much weaker ships.”


Give us some details on your alt. Total GP and ship GP?

1.48 million character GP
1.15 million ship GP

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

How your alt only been successful 3 times out of all the GA battles? That’s not very successful.

That's not what I calimed. I claimed that I had used that strategy 3 times and won. In addition all those 3 times were when up against opponents with significantly more g12 characters than I - but with weaker ships than I.

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

I say this is trolling because you’re quick to jump on any post like this and tell people that they suffer from bad strategy without ever getting into details. I’m telling you it’s not bad strategy...it’s unfair matches.

Dude, please read my posts again, instead of going all personal. I never claimed the OP used a bad strategy. I have no idea what strategy he uses. I simply suggested this strategy - which uses his strong ship to his advantage.

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

“Well, it's a requirement, that you can clear his board, for that strategy to work.”


I did...so now what is the problem with my strategy?

So, you're claiming that you cleared his board - and that your fleet survived - but still you lost?

(The strategy requires that your ships are strong enough to survive any attack from the opponent. It's all there in my previous comments.)

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

“I don't believe, you understood the strategy, I described, because this isn't it.”


I don’t believe you understand the problem that me and the OP are facing which is why your so quick to say it’s bad strategy.

I never claimed that the OP - or you - use a bad strategy. I have no idea what strategy you use, so I can't - and I didn't - comment on that.

The problem described in the original post is a claimed problem with having strong ships. How can having strong ships be a disadvantage?

(Yes, having a lot of useless 'fluff' ships GP is a disadvantage, but that's not the problem discussed by the OP).

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775862" wrote:

My opponent split his teams to leave strong D and have some strong teams on O. I put all midrange teams on D leaving only my best teams and trash toons (about 5 g8 guys) for O. I beat each of his teams except one on the first try and with a near perfect score. That last team I beat on the second try. I had to whittle his team down because I ran out of good players to crush him.

I lost by 25 points.

If you cleared his board with only 1 second attempt, and you lost still, then I assume your fleet was defeated. Without having strong ships (which is what the OP is discussing) then my suggested strategy is not for you. It also indicates further, that you didn't understand my sugested strategy.

Have a nice one.

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"Waqui;c-1775684" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1775611" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775585" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1775511" wrote:
When your opponent has a significant advantage in squad GP and the only fleet zone is protected by a squad zone, the fact that you have a strong fleet does not compensate for your relative weakness in squads.

Your opponent has the option of setting a strong front line and still attacking with good squads.

And this is why you save more of your strong characters for offense, when you believe your defensive fleet will hold the zone.

Depending on the difference in squad power, that can be anything from a big strategic gamble to a hopeless kamikaze attack.

If you defend with only B- and C-teams against an opponent with more squad GP, rhe odds are good that they will break all of your ground zones, leaving you needing to break both of your opponent's frontal ground zones plus either their fleet or rear ground zone just to have a chance of winning on points. Not good odds when they have more & stronger squads than you do.

Key words:"...when you believe, your defensive fleet will hold the zone."

Who cares if the opponent clears all your ground troops in first attempt?

1) It doesn't matter whether your fleet zone holds or not if you don't have the resources to clear both of your opponent's front zones, each of which have 2 or more squads, an area where your opponent has a clear advantage.

2) If your opponent can comfortably hold the squad zone in front of their fleet zone then they can set a trash fleet on defense and use their arena fleet to attack, potentially giving them a good chance to break your fleet zone too.

I have about 890k squad GP and the same in fleet. (Until the last day or so I had more fleet than squad and it used to be significantly more)

I have one A team, 2 B+ (not quite arena-grade), 3 B and 4 C teams. On the current map, I have to place 5 defensive teams, leaving me 5 squads to attack. I do not have the luxury of strong offense and defense and I have no room for mistakes.

My first round opponent had about 1,020k squad GP, not laser focused but still more A-, B- and C-teams available. I went balanced, he went defense. We both defeated one squad from each front zone. He won by 4 pts in the end, though I was up by 2 after the first exchange. He also lost 3 squads trying to zerg one of my B+ teams but that doesn't count against him because my squad held.

If I had gone with an offensive strategy he would have been able to clear at least 2 if not all 3 of my squad zones with his B- and C- teams and potentially take a shot at my fleet. I would only have been able to clear one of his front zones and the rear behind it, leaving him with a decisive win.

My second opponent has about 1,120k squad GP, a top-heavy roster and good modding. There is literally no way I can beat him. The only reason I am winning is that he is choosing not to fight.

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775991" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775964" wrote:


If you cleared his board with only 1 second attempt, and you lost still, then I assume your fleet was defeated. Without having strong ships (which is what the OP is discussing) then my suggested strategy is not for you. It also indicates further, that you didn't understand my sugested strategy.

Have a nice one.

Yes, I cleared the board and so did my opponent.

In that case:
If you did have a point using your example to discuss my suggested strategy, you will need to explain your point. Your example seems pointless to me, given the requirements for the strategy to work.

Have a nice one.

"Waqui;c-1776071" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775991" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775964" wrote:


If you cleared his board with only 1 second attempt, and you lost still, then I assume your fleet was defeated. Without having strong ships (which is what the OP is discussing) then my suggested strategy is not for you. It also indicates further, that you didn't understand my sugested strategy.

Have a nice one.

Yes, I cleared the board and so did my opponent.

In that case:
If you did have a point using your example to discuss my suggested strategy, you will need to explain your point. Your example seems pointless to me, given the requirements for the strategy to work.

Have a nice one.

You should read my previous posts as I explained it in those. Both me and my opponent had rebels ships with the new falcon. A requirement of the falcon is good BH ships (arguably the second best fleet). If you’ve ever played with the new rebel fleet then you would know that it’s only easily beaten on D by other rebel fleets. On offense, if you know how to play the fleet, you’ll win at least 90% of the time.

My opponent set BH as defense and used rebels on offense. I did the same. We both cleared ships with relative ease.

I’m not sure what your point is here other than more trolling.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1776035" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775684" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1775611" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775585" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1775511" wrote:
When your opponent has a significant advantage in squad GP and the only fleet zone is protected by a squad zone, the fact that you have a strong fleet does not compensate for your relative weakness in squads.

Your opponent has the option of setting a strong front line and still attacking with good squads.

And this is why you save more of your strong characters for offense, when you believe your defensive fleet will hold the zone.

Depending on the difference in squad power, that can be anything from a big strategic gamble to a hopeless kamikaze attack.

If you defend with only B- and C-teams against an opponent with more squad GP, rhe odds are good that they will break all of your ground zones, leaving you needing to break both of your opponent's frontal ground zones plus either their fleet or rear ground zone just to have a chance of winning on points. Not good odds when they have more & stronger squads than you do.

Key words:"...when you believe, your defensive fleet will hold the zone."

Who cares if the opponent clears all your ground troops in first attempt?

1) It doesn't matter whether your fleet holds or not if you do not have the resources to break both of their front zones which are defended by at least 2 squads each, an area where they have the GP advantage

And this is the reason why my suggested strategy includes saving all strong teams for offense and and placing a Chewie defense.

But yes, if your opponent has a team, which you don't have a counter for, and you can't defeat it with anything, he can block two zones, no matter how strong yours and your opponent's fleets are - but I believe that's besides the OP's point.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1776035" wrote:

2) If your opponent can hold the squad zone in front of their fleet zone, they can set a trash fleet on defense and use their arena fleet on offense, giving them a good chance to beat whatever fleet you set

If your opponent can beat your defensive fleet, I wouldn't recommend a Chewie defense. I never did. From my very first comment:

"Waqui;c-1775499" wrote:
If your strong fleet holds on defense, you have a huge advantage. If your ships really are that much stronger than your opponent's, a viable strategy could be ....

"Scuttlebutt;c-1776079" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1776075" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775991" wrote:

And your alt is not in the same situation as me. I’m at 3.4 million total GP with 1.6 on ships. 1.15 million GP is basically two good fleets (which is exactly what I said before). I doubt many of your brackets have the new falcon so all you need to defend is HT.

Your roster GP is irrelevant. The only relevant thing in our discussion is wether your defensive fleet is strong enough to survive.

The original post discusses strong ships - not fluff GP from ships - and the fact that there's only one fleet zone, but 3 character zones.

You must not have the new falcon or you would understand my point. If you can give me the lineup of ships that survives consistently on D against the new rebel fleet, I’ll back down from this argument...

This is GA - not fleet arena. Wether your fleet holds on defense or not depends just as much on your opponent's ships as it depends on yours.

The OP discusses strong ships in GA - not in general. He discusses having strong ships / weak characters against opponents with strong characters instead.

It really shouldn't be necessary to remind you of this.

Added:
Yes, my alt has the Falcon. It doesn't have two strong fleets, though, due to quite weak/mediocre rebel ships (g9 Chewie, g8 Ackbar, g8/9 Phoenix to name a few examples).

"Scuttlebutt;c-1776077" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1776071" wrote:

"Scuttlebutt;c-1775991" wrote:

"Waqui;c-1775964" wrote:


If you cleared his board with only 1 second attempt, and you lost still, then I assume your fleet was defeated. Without having strong ships (which is what the OP is discussing) then my suggested strategy is not for you. It also indicates further, that you didn't understand my sugested strategy.

Have a nice one.

Yes, I cleared the board and so did my opponent.

In that case:
If you did have a point using your example to discuss my suggested strategy, you will need to explain your point. Your example seems pointless to me, given the requirements for the strategy to work.

Have a nice one.

You should read my previous posts as I explained it in those.

Well, I suggested the strategy in scenarios where your defensive fleet can hold on defense. Your example is pointless in that regard, and I don't intend to waste more time discussing it.

"Waqui;c-1776122" wrote:

This is GA - not fleet arena. Wether your fleet holds on defense or not depends just as much on your opponent's ships as it depends on yours.

The OP discusses strong ships in GA - not in general. He discusses having strong ships / weak characters against opponents with strong characters instead.

It really shouldn't be necessary to remind you of this.

No, the OP discusses imbalance in ship scores with respect to matchmaking. You’re the one that turned into a discussion of lack of strategy which eventually led to my last comment. You did this just like you’ve done on two of my previous discussions on this topic which is why I keep commenting that you’re trolling these discussions.

And to your first statement...really??? Is that how GA works??? I had no idea that my opponents ships factor into him beating my defense. It’s not like I’ve made a comment about that previously.