"Rath_Tarr;c-2056030" wrote:
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
"Rath_Tarr;c-2055711" wrote:
"KyoO1234;c-2055678" wrote:
"Lysandrax;c-2055667" wrote:
Relic toons are weighted horribly in matchmaking.
GP is a bad matchmaker regardless of how many toons it factors in, the system still needs to be worked on.
I have not heard one good reason for using GP as basis for matchmaking. It is possibly the worst and laziest way to do it.
Matches based on gear levels would be better.
Because g12 Ugnaught is absolutely equal to g12 Malak! :D
"KyoO1234;c-2055678" wrote:
Matches based on Arena ranks would be better.
Because #1 in a 2m GP arena shard is the perfect match for #1 in a 5m GP arena shard! :D
"KyoO1234;c-2055678" wrote:
Matches based on meta characters would be better.
Current meta only? What about all the rest?
Include past metas? How many and which ones?
What do you do with all the players you can't find exact matches for?
What do you do when players come complaining that mirror matches are boring and it's unfair that their mirror opponent has better mods?
"KyoO1234;c-2055678" wrote:
Pretty much anything would be better than GP.
Apparently not.
You give it your best effort to misunderstand me.
Nope, I read exactly what you wrote, rolled my eyes, laughed and dissected it.
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
Of course the matchmaking based in arena rank would have to consider your brackets! That’s how Arena currently works too. Duh!
You literally said
"I have not heard one good reason for using GP as basis for matchmaking. It is possibly the worst and laziest way to do it."
and now you are saying that Divisions by GP are necessary. Well those Divisions are a part of matchmaking and they are based on GP. Duh!
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
The Ugnauth Malak example is the black swan and would virtually have no impact because people typically gear up their strong toons, but their useless ones. BTW: the same argument can be made with GP. A G12 Malak is not much different from a G12 Ugnaught in terms of GP.
People farm and gear all sorts of toons for a variety of reasons including that they just happen to like the character. That was a big problem with total GP matchmaking, less so with top {x} GP.
Malak has 5 abilities and 2 zetas, Ugnaught has 3 abilities 1 of which doesn't even have an omega so on rhat basis alone there will be a significant difference in GP between them at comparable gear levels and likely more from the differences in gear pieces each one needs to reach that level.
You have no clue what GP actually represents do you.
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
And certain metas should impact the matchmaking if it is done well. The current GP matching btw. tries to do that, but fails since (to stay with the previous example) the GP for Malak is higher than a similar geared Ugnaught, but the GP difference is too small to reflect the meta status of Malak.
A meta is not one toon, it is a squad, usually with a number of variants. Any attempt to measure the combat potential of an individual toon is going to be inherently flawed because that potential depends greatly on the toon's squadmates and the opposing squad.
GP does not in any way shape or form attempt to reflect the relative strength of metas. Period. It is a measure of resource investment, nothing more.
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
I really don’t understand all the people defending this broken matchmaking system.
Clearly there are many things you do not understand, starting with the difference between defending the system and countering ignorance and stupidity.
"KyoO1234;c-2055929" wrote:
Finally: People with better rosters like to talk about skill, but when I review the GAC matches of my opponents I see wins for meta vs non-meta and wins for better gear/toon vs weaker gear/toon. Skill? Rarely a factor...
You really are clueless.
SWGoH is a collecting game, not just a combat sim. Grand arena success is a combination of roster management, strategy and skill in battle.
Imperfect though it may be, GP actually does make sense in that context and perhaps more importantly any alternative which attempts to gauge combat power alone will be much more complex (if it is even feasible) with no guarantee it will produce better matches.
Let me try again (for the last time):
1) We are talking about using GP for GAC specifically. I am not advocating for changing GP as factor in every game aspect. GAC and Arena follow row completely different approaches. Arena is not meant to match similar players. You can have a 2mm player in the same shard with a 5mm player, but they probably won’t be close in rank. So you are wrong with your first point!
2) g12 and g13 are significant for every toon. You cannot discuss that factor away. And you are plainly wrong regarding the “significant” difference in GP. If the difference is 21k vs 26k then that’s nothing when the matchmaking logic is looking at top 80 GP.
3) don’t assume I don’t understand things only because I don’t agree with you. I know exactly how gear, abilities and level drive GP, but I still think it’s a bad indicator for a man even GAC matchmaking (see my point 2)
4) with your response to meta toons you are exactly making my point. BECAUSE metas are not reflected accurately by GP it should be considered separately in GAC matchmaking. And your “there are not meta toons, only meta teams” argument is irrelevant, because obviously almost every toon is used in teams with synergies, but specific toons make teams so powerful that they are considered metas.
Finally: you indirectly calling me and my post stupid and ignorant says more about you than me! I am well aware what type of game swgoh is (I play this game probably longer than you) and don’t need you to explain this to me.
Reading through all your response your argument basically boils down to: using anything else than GP is to complex. Now read my initial post. THATS why I wrote that matchmaking based on GP is lazy! But there are better ways as I explained...
