Galactic war difficulty

"AOHNH;c-1676051" wrote:

"KausDebonair;c-1675694" wrote:
I feel like you’re missing the main fact of this game: it’s a slow burn.

I'm not missing it, I just don't see how it applies to new players as of today.

Yeah, choosing to focus on a strong arena team is the most “logical” choice because it gives you crystals. But it’s still your choice.

Well, I suppose anything can be called a choice. I can choose to buy a game and don't play it just for the sake of making a choice of not playing it. Making an argument like that is just silly.

When I unlocked fleet, I climbed to rank 6 in 3 days. Then I stopped caring about dleeet because I figured nobody else would in my shard since we just unlocked it. That wasn’t the case, however, and I dropped like a stone. Then, while everybody was focusing on the new hotness, (I think it was CLS), I focused on ships. Then i climbed back up to top 100. And this was before fleet arena gave crystals as reward.

So, this doesn't apply to today's game state, then? Right now the best "choice" for leveling players is to field arena team full of pilots so that your ship arena performance is good as well. I can "choose" not to do that, hurting both my progression and my contribution to my guild. Why would I make such a bad choice? Just because it exists?

There’s always going to be a “gate” to get by, whether it’s GW, Arena, fleet, mod battles, or any other area of the game.

What's happening in GW is hardly a gate. When you hit a squad 17 levels above you regardless of your current level - that's called a moving goal post that can only be reached by maxing out your own level.

Another example: I was 3 stages behind on dark side nodes on the PvE table because I focused on Rebels.

It seems to me that this is completely normal for new players today. It makes perfect sense - concentrate your efforts on one strong squad.

You can’t have everything all at once in this game

Again, that's fine. That's why I can't yet play on dark hard 9 stage. But why lock that stage, yet allow similar brick wall experience in GW?

Book. Right there. “Moving goal post.” That’s exactly what GW is. It’s been that way since inception. I don’t understand why you believe that, for some reason, it shouldn’t apply today. This isn’t a new problem for players. Wanting an even easier GW (you should have been here before the rework) is simply saying you want more free stuff with less work, when that’s not the game’s design.

GW is a gate. You can’t finish it can you? Because you’re gated behind more powerful squads because your roster isn’t deep enough to adapt.

The argument of choice is not silly when the entire game’s progression is based around choice, whether it’s logical or not. I didn’t believe the Old Republic toons would all be necessary for Revan because the only leader ability benefits only one other toon of the 5. I was wrong. I made a choice, based on logic, to not farm them. I agree that focusing on arena may be the most logical to you, but that’s still your choice to follow that logic. Focusing on a singular team is not, however, the best way to progress. Focus on 2 teams so you can adapt. There are many avenues to do this, not just GW.

*boom not book lol

Also, to compare it to another game again:
Final Fantasy Tactics has a similar moving goalpost with the random battles, they scale to your level. Until you’re super high powered, they’re always tough. It’s part of the game, it’s how GW works. Arguing that it should be made easier (again) isnarguing against its concept.

Also, node 6 usually is 15-17 levels higher than you. Then on node 7 it drops back down a bit. GW is about adapting, too.

Can’t wait to see what OP has to say once he starts meeting opponents with Zeta abilities. :D

"KausDebonair;c-1676141" wrote:

"AOHNH;c-1676051" wrote:

"KausDebonair;c-1675694" wrote:
I feel like you’re missing the main fact of this game: it’s a slow burn.

I'm not missing it, I just don't see how it applies to new players as of today.

Yeah, choosing to focus on a strong arena team is the most “logical” choice because it gives you crystals. But it’s still your choice.

Well, I suppose anything can be called a choice. I can choose to buy a game and don't play it just for the sake of making a choice of not playing it. Making an argument like that is just silly.

When I unlocked fleet, I climbed to rank 6 in 3 days. Then I stopped caring about dleeet because I figured nobody else would in my shard since we just unlocked it. That wasn’t the case, however, and I dropped like a stone. Then, while everybody was focusing on the new hotness, (I think it was CLS), I focused on ships. Then i climbed back up to top 100. And this was before fleet arena gave crystals as reward.

So, this doesn't apply to today's game state, then? Right now the best "choice" for leveling players is to field arena team full of pilots so that your ship arena performance is good as well. I can "choose" not to do that, hurting both my progression and my contribution to my guild. Why would I make such a bad choice? Just because it exists?

There’s always going to be a “gate” to get by, whether it’s GW, Arena, fleet, mod battles, or any other area of the game.

What's happening in GW is hardly a gate. When you hit a squad 17 levels above you regardless of your current level - that's called a moving goal post that can only be reached by maxing out your own level.

Another example: I was 3 stages behind on dark side nodes on the PvE table because I focused on Rebels.

It seems to me that this is completely normal for new players today. It makes perfect sense - concentrate your efforts on one strong squad.

You can’t have everything all at once in this game

Again, that's fine. That's why I can't yet play on dark hard 9 stage. But why lock that stage, yet allow similar brick wall experience in GW?

Book. Right there. “Moving goal post.” That’s exactly what GW is. It’s been that way since inception. I don’t understand why you believe that, for some reason, it shouldn’t apply today. This isn’t a new problem for players. Wanting an even easier GW (you should have been here before the rework) is simply saying you want more free stuff with less work, when that’s not the game’s design.

GW is a gate. You can’t finish it can you? Because you’re gated behind more powerful squads because your roster isn’t deep enough to adapt.

The argument of choice is not silly when the entire game’s progression is based around choice, whether it’s logical or not. I didn’t believe the Old Republic toons would all be necessary for Revan because the only leader ability benefits only one other toon of the 5. I was wrong. I made a choice, based on logic, to not farm them. I agree that focusing on arena may be the most logical to you, but that’s still your choice to follow that logic. Focusing on a singular team is not, however, the best way to progress. Focus on 2 teams so you can adapt. There are many avenues to do this, not just GW.

That's ok I made the choice to farm them and spend arena and fleet crystals on them most days with a small break to get bossk for chewie. I figured they'd be needed. But with the timing of the event I'm still short. You'll have time before the next time so my choice was no better than yours.

"AOHNH;c-1676126" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1676070" wrote:
Level is not the only factor in a character's power. Gear, *s, skill levels and mods all play a part.

Sounds like you're helping me. Gear and skill levels unlock based on character's level. Higher level = better gear. * count and mods' quality also follow character's level if the player "chooses" the most logical path and invests in one strong squad.

Look it boils down to this. It's designed to be hard and even unbeatable sometimes. That is so whales will spend to buy toons/gear so they can beat it sooner.

So they aren't going to change it since it probably makes money as is. So you can either take the advice of those trying to help accepting that it'll take time, whale out, or quit. It really is that simple.

"AOHNH;c-1676126" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1676070" wrote:
Level is not the only factor in a character's power. Gear, *s, skill levels and mods all play a part.

Sounds like you're helping me. Gear and skill levels unlock based on character's level. Higher level = better gear. * count and mods' quality also follow character's level if the player "chooses" the most logical path and invests in one strong squad.

Do not assume that your opponent's gear, skills and mods are max'd. Very often they wont be.

Speaking of which, it's time you showed us your squad...

"KausDebonair;c-1676141" wrote:
That’s exactly what GW is. It’s been that way since inception. I don’t understand why you believe that, for some reason, it shouldn’t apply today.

I've explained it numerous times now, and every counter to my argument is either ignoring my explanation or providing examples that do not apply to new players. I'll do it again, in a super-short version: the only "choice" that makes sense for new players is the one where you field one strong squad while leveling up. Heck, when I first started playing, every single advice I received from searching was "get one strong squad ASAP, don't spread your efforts". I've played the game and it can confirm that it was in fact the best advice possible.

Wanting an even easier GW (you should have been here before the rework) is simply saying you want more free stuff with less work, when that’s not the game’s design.

Explain to me why it's "free" stuff for me, a new player? I didn't say I want it super easy, all I want is brick wall removal.

Besides, isn't free stuff exactly what you're getting right now by simply simming it? Yet I'm the one wanting free stuff?

GW is a gate. You can’t finish it can you? Because you’re gated behind more powerful squads because your roster isn’t deep enough to adapt.

That is not correct. In the last brick wall I faced I managed to remove half of protection bar before my team was lost, because enemy team was far too strong. Using that math, I'd need what, like 10 squads to beat that?
And again, gate's power does not move with your own. I've played many games and have seen many gate examples, and GW is not one of them.

The argument of choice is not silly when the entire game’s progression is based around choice, whether it’s logical or not.

You can't make a serious argument when you talk about making choices that do exists, but are meaningless when you choose them. You still did not answer me: if a choice exists, but making it is plain stupid, why would I make such a choice?

Focusing on a singular team is not, however, the best way to progress. Focus on 2 teams so you can adapt. There are many avenues to do this, not just GW.

How is it not the best choice? What do I need to adapt to? I'm still leveling up, there's no adaptation choices for me to make. Having one strong team at 65 is always better than having 2 mediocre teams at 45, regardless of counter mechanics.

"Huatimus;c-1676148" wrote:
Can’t wait to see what OP has to say once he starts meeting opponents with Zeta abilities. :D

Same thing I'm saying right now: placing unwinnable battles in GW is a bad design.

I'd love a logical explanation from devs on the topic, as it applies to new players today.

"DarkHelmet1138;c-1676205" wrote:
Look it boils down to this. It's designed to be hard and even unbeatable sometimes. That is so whales will spend to buy toons/gear so they can beat it sooner.

At least you're not beating around the bush here. It still doesn't explain why the devs wouldn't do the same with light/dark nodes, though.

And from my experience, buying gear/toons by itself will not solve GW problems, one would have to buy gems and quickly level up to 85 to remove the leveling power difference.

So they aren't going to change it since it probably makes money as is.

It's possible. But I would think that GW wouldn't generate much revenue. This game is all about crystals, and you get none from GW.

So you can either take the advice of those trying to help accepting that it'll take time, whale out, or quit. It really is that simple.

Advises in this particular thread have been less than helpful. And I'm not even looking for an advice, I've received those elsewhere - "GW is pain is some dark place and you just have to get by". What I'm really looking for in this thread is a valid, logical reason why GW has to have bad RNG built into it. Revenue generation is as close as it gets, but even that looks pretty weak to me.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1676219" wrote:
Do not assume that your opponent's gear, skills and mods are max'd. Very often they wont be.

Why would I assume anything, I can see the stats of the enemy squad...

Speaking of which, it's time you showed us your squad...

Not that it is relevant to this discussion, but after asking around, the most often advice given to me in the beginning was to go for Phoenix, which is what I did.

Having said that, I want to preempt any "well, that's your problem" responses: from what I've seen in GW so far, squad choice makes no difference when you do hit the top end of RNG. When the enemy is 17 levels ahead, with the appropriate increases in gear, skills, and mods, there's nothing you can do about it. It is simply not going to work.