When players received GP to give a value to their inventory strength, some players, like me, maxed out all of their characters' levels, gear levels, and mods. The increased GP gave players better rewards in territory battles. When grand arena was released, it appears that matches are determined by GP. All over YouTube, players now recommend not to "inflate" your GP, but for older players, it is too late. A typical matchup for me on grand arena puts me against players who easily have up to 10 more zetas on their characters. Yes, their GP is similar. So, I have to decide, do I want to try and work on the matchup, spend more than 30 minutes, to just lose and gain nothing, or do I just not bother playing. Sometimes, when I try to play. Today's matchup pitted me against a player with 11 more zetas on characters than I have. There is no way I can beat that. I want to play grand arena, but it is a complete waste of time when I gain nothing by doing it. I am losing out on rewards as well. The matchups need to be fixed. There needs to be a level playing field.

"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:Get ready for a wave of comments about how GA matchups are fair and nothing needs to change, get gud, you shouldn’t have wasted resources on fluff, and how this matchmaking is nothing new since TW using the same thing.But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.So true. I thought the same thing as I wrote it. It has just been so long that this has been going on, and I want to play the grand arena. I am stuck. The only thing I can do is to remove mods, but then I have to sell a bunch of them, and how much of a difference will it really make? The players who benefit from the current method of matchups will be the players who write to state that it is good just the way it is. Newer players, don't work on any character you won't use. Don't increase your GP where it isn't necessary. Developers, please fix this! Matchups should use three variables to determine fair matchups; GP, number of zetas, and g12 characters. There are other ways to determine matchups, but in my opinion, those three categories will help to match fair opponents. I did nothing wrong by leveling up my characters and their gear levels, so a player like me should not be at a disadvantage in the game.

"Waqui;c-1850633" wrote:"WEDWAY;c-1850466" wrote:"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:Get ready for a wave of comments about how GA matchups are fair and nothing needs to change, get gud, you shouldn’t have wasted resources on fluff, and how this matchmaking is nothing new since TW using the same thing.But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.So true. I thought the same thing as I wrote it. It has just been so long that this has been going on, and I want to play the grand arena. I am stuck. The only thing I can do is to remove mods, but then I have to sell a bunch of them, and how much of a difference will it really make? The players who benefit from the current method of matchups will be the players who write to state that it is good just the way it is. I know of at least one player, who comments that the current match-up is fine and accepts the match-up even when he's outmatched.Newer players, don't work on any character you won't use. Don't increase your GP where it isn't necessary. Developers, please fix this! Please refer to the recent road-ahead post that describes tiered GAs based on previous performance. I assume rewards will be tiered to, so that match-making will probably be fair just like the current one. Matchups should use three variables to determine fair matchups; GP, number of zetas, and g12 characters. There are other ways to determine matchups, but in my opinion, those three categories will help to match fair opponents.No, it won't. It will create (more) even matches, but as long as we all compete for the exact same rewards, it wouldn't fair. Even and fair are two different things. I did nothing wrong by leveling up my characters and their gear levels, so a player like me should not be at a disadvantage in the game.You did nothing wrong. Agreed. But your choices in the past should of course influence your current ability to win GA. It's no different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. They are at a disadvantage in heroic STR. It's no different than guilds that din't build counters to JKR, DRevan or similar teams. They are at a disadvantage in TW. I see no problem here.It was way too late to “course correct”. I am sorry that you are unable to see the problem. If you were capable of understanding the situation explained, you would see a problem. Unfortunately, when something isn’t happening to some people, they are unable to see it for themselves. Grand arena match ups are very different from guilds that didn’t build counters to JKR, etc. They can still build counters as the game progresses. We have no control to combat these horrible match ups. Today, my son got matched against a player with 24 g12 toons and a ton of 6 Dot mods. He has zero g12 toons. His opponent also has 33% more zeta moves. The difference, my son works on all of his toons. His opponent left most of his toons untouched. He can’t play at all. That is a problem.

"WEDWAY;c-1864099" wrote:Yesterday, my son was paired with a player who has 24 g12 toons, all with 6 dot mods. My son has zero g12 toons. My son levels up all of his characters. His oppenent only leveled up the characters he uses. You can blame that on matchmaking, but knowing how matchmaking works wouldn't that be a mistake made by your son instead?

"WEDWAY;c-1864099" wrote:You did nothing wrong. Agreed. But your choices in the past should of course influence your current ability to win GA. It's no different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. They are at a disadvantage in heroic STR. It's no different than guilds that din't build counters to JKR, DRevan or similar teams. They are at a disadvantage in TW. I see no problem here.It is completely different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. This is not a disadvantage because of a choice of farming one character over another. Those guilds can eventually build the team they need. If a player wants to beat an opponent with strong META teams that player needs to build strong counter teams instead of building CUP and geonosians. The only difference is, that raid mechanics are static, while the META constantly evolves.Yesterday, my son was paired with a player who has 24 g12 toons, all with 6 dot mods. My son has zero g12 toons. My son levels up all of his characters. His oppenent only leveled up the characters he uses. His oppenent has a JKR team filled with zeta's and god level mods. My son is months away from JTR, nevermind any of the current meta teams. His oppenent has 33% more zeta moves. This happens often.Your son's playstyle is sometimes referred to as 'collecting', while his opponent seems to have a more competitive playstyle. The competitive playstyle has an advantage in GA. Of course it does. GA is a competitive game mode. It's all good.It is completely mismatched and my son cannot play the grand arena this time because of this problem. Of course he can. He probably won't win 3/3, but he can play. There is nothing he can do to fix it either. He can change his playstile and slowly build a more and more competitive roster. He can start building strong teams only, one ar a time. No, he can't change his roster over night, but that's just the nature of this game.This has nothing to do with "who" players choose to farm or develop, Yes it does. If your son doesn't have a JKR team, while his opponent does, it's exactly because of which characters each of them chose to develop.it has everything to do with GP not being a fair way to match players. GP is a fair measure for matchmaking as long as everybody battles for the same rewards. Why should your son have easier acces to those rank 1 rewards, than a player with all the META teams? How would that be fair? You are comparing apples to oranges, which is why you don't see a problem. You're missing the point with the rewards. It's perfectly fine, that apples have an advantage when competing with oranges.

"WEDWAY;d-202848" wrote:When players received GP to give a value to their inventory strength, some players, like me, maxed out all of their characters' levels, gear levels, and mods. The increased GP gave players better rewards in territory battles. Exactly. There's your benefit.

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wedway
6 years ago
"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:
Get ready for a wave of comments about how GA matchups are fair and nothing needs to change, get gud, you shouldn’t have wasted resources on fluff, and how this matchmaking is nothing new since TW using the same thing.

But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.

So true. I thought the same thing as I wrote it. It has just been so long that this has been going on, and I want to play the grand arena. I am stuck. The only thing I can do is to remove mods, but then I have to sell a bunch of them, and how much of a difference will it really make? The players who benefit from the current method of matchups will be the players who write to state that it is good just the way it is. Newer players, don't work on any character you won't use. Don't increase your GP where it isn't necessary. Developers, please fix this! Matchups should use three variables to determine fair matchups; GP, number of zetas, and g12 characters. There are other ways to determine matchups, but in my opinion, those three categories will help to match fair opponents. I did nothing wrong by leveling up my characters and their gear levels, so a player like me should not be at a disadvantage in the game.
wedway
6 years ago
"Waqui;c-1850633" wrote:
"WEDWAY;c-1850466" wrote:
"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:
Get ready for a wave of comments about how GA matchups are fair and nothing needs to change, get gud, you shouldn’t have wasted resources on fluff, and how this matchmaking is nothing new since TW using the same thing.

But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.

So true. I thought the same thing as I wrote it. It has just been so long that this has been going on, and I want to play the grand arena. I am stuck. The only thing I can do is to remove mods, but then I have to sell a bunch of them, and how much of a difference will it really make? The players who benefit from the current method of matchups will be the players who write to state that it is good just the way it is.

I know of at least one player, who comments that the current match-up is fine and accepts the match-up even when he's outmatched.

Newer players, don't work on any character you won't use. Don't increase your GP where it isn't necessary. Developers, please fix this!

Please refer to the recent road-ahead post that describes tiered GAs based on previous performance. I assume rewards will be tiered to, so that match-making will probably be fair just like the current one.

Matchups should use three variables to determine fair matchups; GP, number of zetas, and g12 characters. There are other ways to determine matchups, but in my opinion, those three categories will help to match fair opponents.

No, it won't. It will create (more) even matches, but as long as we all compete for the exact same rewards, it wouldn't fair. Even and fair are two different things.

I did nothing wrong by leveling up my characters and their gear levels, so a player like me should not be at a disadvantage in the game.

You did nothing wrong. Agreed. But your choices in the past should of course influence your current ability to win GA. It's no different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. They are at a disadvantage in heroic STR. It's no different than guilds that din't build counters to JKR, DRevan or similar teams. They are at a disadvantage in TW. I see no problem here.

It was way too late to “course correct”. I am sorry that you are unable to see the problem. If you were capable of understanding the situation explained, you would see a problem. Unfortunately, when something isn’t happening to some people, they are unable to see it for themselves. Grand arena match ups are very different from guilds that didn’t build counters to JKR, etc. They can still build counters as the game progresses. We have no control to combat these horrible match ups. Today, my son got matched against a player with 24 g12 toons and a ton of 6 Dot mods. He has zero g12 toons. His opponent also has 33% more zeta moves. The difference, my son works on all of his toons. His opponent left most of his toons untouched. He can’t play at all. That is a problem.
emvedebe
6 years ago
"WEDWAY;c-1864099" wrote:

Yesterday, my son was paired with a player who has 24 g12 toons, all with 6 dot mods. My son has zero g12 toons. My son levels up all of his characters. His oppenent only leveled up the characters he uses.

You can blame that on matchmaking, but knowing how matchmaking works wouldn't that be a mistake made by your son instead?
Waquira
6 years ago
"WEDWAY;c-1864099" wrote:

You did nothing wrong. Agreed. But your choices in the past should of course influence your current ability to win GA. It's no different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. They are at a disadvantage in heroic STR. It's no different than guilds that din't build counters to JKR, DRevan or similar teams. They are at a disadvantage in TW. I see no problem here.

It is completely different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. This is not a disadvantage because of a choice of farming one character over another. Those guilds can eventually build the team they need.

If a player wants to beat an opponent with strong META teams that player needs to build strong counter teams instead of building CUP and geonosians. The only difference is, that raid mechanics are static, while the META constantly evolves.

Yesterday, my son was paired with a player who has 24 g12 toons, all with 6 dot mods. My son has zero g12 toons. My son levels up all of his characters. His oppenent only leveled up the characters he uses. His oppenent has a JKR team filled with zeta's and god level mods. My son is months away from JTR, nevermind any of the current meta teams. His oppenent has 33% more zeta moves. This happens often.

Your son's playstyle is sometimes referred to as 'collecting', while his opponent seems to have a more competitive playstyle. The competitive playstyle has an advantage in GA. Of course it does. GA is a competitive game mode. It's all good.

It is completely mismatched and my son cannot play the grand arena this time because of this problem.

Of course he can. He probably won't win 3/3, but he can play.

There is nothing he can do to fix it either.

He can change his playstile and slowly build a more and more competitive roster. He can start building strong teams only, one ar a time. No, he can't change his roster over night, but that's just the nature of this game.

This has nothing to do with "who" players choose to farm or develop,

Yes it does. If your son doesn't have a JKR team, while his opponent does, it's exactly because of which characters each of them chose to develop.

it has everything to do with GP not being a fair way to match players.

GP is a fair measure for matchmaking as long as everybody battles for the same rewards. Why should your son have easier acces to those rank 1 rewards, than a player with all the META teams? How would that be fair?

You are comparing apples to oranges, which is why you don't see a problem.

You're missing the point with the rewards. It's perfectly fine, that apples have an advantage when competing with oranges.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
"WEDWAY;d-202848" wrote:
When players received GP to give a value to their inventory strength, some players, like me, maxed out all of their characters' levels, gear levels, and mods. The increased GP gave players better rewards in territory battles.

Exactly. There's your benefit.
danubiss91
6 years ago
My current GA opponent has 71 g12 characters, I have 45. I didn’t even bother counting their zeta’s but it was a “lot” more than what I have. So I completely agree with you. I have a gp of 4.5m. Though everybody please, do tell me how it’s fair.
dkreknumone
6 years ago
"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:

But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.

Sorry, But it took me 3 years of hard grinding to get to 4.3 million GP, taking my vitamins saying my prayers drinking my milk to follow the TB advice of devs (when released) to help my guild.

You don't just lean that out in 2, 4, 6, 8, months... fluff guys can't compete and never will be able to compete..because the people destroying them now will graduate eventually out of your GP range and the NEWER players who never fluffed rosters to begin with will eventually begin to climb into your GP range with 0 fluff and make matters worse....

In fact this is the best it's ever going to be for fluff guys (last place) lol. (can't get worse anyway)

GA championships..... we will see what they roll out.... who knows maybe at the bottom ranks fluff guys can play fluff guys and have a chance to win one here and there.
dkreknumone
6 years ago
"DarthBrobdignagian;c-1864340" wrote:
"WEDWAY;c-1863707" wrote:
"Waqui;c-1850633" wrote:
"WEDWAY;c-1850466" wrote:
"Scuttlebutt;c-1850163" wrote:
Get ready for a wave of comments about how GA matchups are fair and nothing needs to change, get gud, you shouldn’t have wasted resources on fluff, and how this matchmaking is nothing new since TW using the same thing.

But seriously, if you want to stop the bleeding, just don’t activate new characters or ships until absolutely needed. Don’t Star up toons or ships until needed. And remove mods from characters you don’t use in GA (assuming you don’t use them elsewhere too). Ships are a huge hit right now...just activating a 5* palpmobile was 40k power for me.

So true. I thought the same thing as I wrote it. It has just been so long that this has been going on, and I want to play the grand arena. I am stuck. The only thing I can do is to remove mods, but then I have to sell a bunch of them, and how much of a difference will it really make? The players who benefit from the current method of matchups will be the players who write to state that it is good just the way it is.

I know of at least one player, who comments that the current match-up is fine and accepts the match-up even when he's outmatched.

Newer players, don't work on any character you won't use. Don't increase your GP where it isn't necessary. Developers, please fix this!

Please refer to the recent road-ahead post that describes tiered GAs based on previous performance. I assume rewards will be tiered to, so that match-making will probably be fair just like the current one.

Matchups should use three variables to determine fair matchups; GP, number of zetas, and g12 characters. There are other ways to determine matchups, but in my opinion, those three categories will help to match fair opponents.

No, it won't. It will create (more) even matches, but as long as we all compete for the exact same rewards, it wouldn't fair. Even and fair are two different things.

I did nothing wrong by leveling up my characters and their gear levels, so a player like me should not be at a disadvantage in the game.

You did nothing wrong. Agreed. But your choices in the past should of course influence your current ability to win GA. It's no different than guilds who didn't build JTR teams and NS teams. They are at a disadvantage in heroic STR. It's no different than guilds that din't build counters to JKR, DRevan or similar teams. They are at a disadvantage in TW. I see no problem here.

It was way too late to “course correct”. I am sorry that you are unable to see the problem. If you were capable of understanding the situation explained, you would see a problem. Unfortunately, when something isn’t happening to some people, they are unable to see it for themselves. Grand arena match ups are very different from guilds that didn’t build counters to JKR, etc. They can still build counters as the game progresses. We have no control to combat these horrible match ups. Today, my son got matched against a player with 24 g12 toons and a ton of 6 Dot mods. He has zero g12 toons. His opponent also has 33% more zeta moves. The difference, my son works on all of his toons. His opponent left most of his toons untouched. He can’t play at all. That is a problem.

False. Your son mismanaged his resources and is being outmatched by players who are better at strategy. The system is not broken. No one told you to gear up those tokens (or whoever) to g8 then move on to the next.

I am currently matched against a player with 400k less GP than me and at least 30 toons sitting at lvl 1 and 65! At gear 12. I do not have that lean of a roster, but through careful strategy I still have a chance of winning.

There is nothing wrong with matchmaking, players who plan better get better rewards the end.

This is amazing literally almost every singlt thing you said here is wrong.

What your doing right now in your match...means Zero and I mean zero in this conversation....sample size is too small

CG DID tell people to expand their rosters fluff em up for TB so your wrong there

you say nothing is wrong with matchmaking but there is.... so your wrong there

actually I was going to comment on your strategy bit...but without more information I would open myself up to being wrong.....

care to post your .GG so we can delve into "your superior strategy" ?
SDFOX008
6 years ago
My favorite part about these are people reference something that was a good choice at the time they made it. Then people say it’s ok to be penalized for it now because you benefited from it then. How about the game is developed around not penalizing previous “good” choices of the past? Last my favorite response is from scuttlebutt because they knew all the people who would comment on this who don’t understand logic.
emvedebe
6 years ago
"Besteve;c-1864353" wrote:
My favorite part about these are people reference something that was a good choice at the time they made it. Then people say it’s ok to be penalized for it now because you benefited from it then. How about the game is developed around not penalizing previous “good” choices of the past? Last my favorite response is from scuttlebutt because they knew all the people who would comment on this who don’t understand logic.

to be fair, a lean roster has pretty much always been better than alot of fluff. Sure, the extra GP for TB was kinda nice, but that's the only benefit fluff has ever had.